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And yet he is smarter and much more successful than you.

Smarter? LOL. Not a chance. Better at conning stupid people (yourself included?) into giving him their vote?? Hands down, he wins. But stupid is, is stupid does.

 

But if "smartness" was measured by how much money you amassed, then most scientists would be labeled dumb.

 

As far as being more successful, again, if the measure of success is money, then yes, he is. Although this changes nothing regarding the list of his character flaws:

 

- Morally and ethically corrupt. You still don't recognize the con? It's all about what Trump can do for trump, as well as family and friends.

 

- Liar. No iffs ands or butts about that

 

- Flip-flopper. Hard to tell which policy will stick, or which way the wind is blowing on any given day.

 

- Bully. Constantly threatening people (both big and small) with law suites or other actions if they don't conform to his wishes.

 

- Mentally unstable. Childish.

 

- Comical command of the English language. Not befitting of someone in his position. "I have a really good brain". "I know more than the Generals, believe

 

 

But nice try. Fail.

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Yes, it does. But a million doesn't turn into a billion all by itself. Not too many of us turn every dollar we receive into a thousand.

We don't know for certain if Trump is a billionaire

 

At a minimum, he has assets worth at least a Billion but we don't know how much debt he has or what percentage of his assets are owned by outside investors

 

Trump is known to exaggerate everything from the size of his hands to the size of his crowds...

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Being born rich and getting a million dollar loan from daddy sure helps.

 

Nice having a jump start in life and a career isn't it.

 

The quote above sort of reminds me of a book joke.

A new book recently came out it is called 'How to become a Billionare'. Chapter 1. Line 1 'First  you start with a Million dollars'. The End

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What could be more comical than "corpse-man"?  Trump can't top that.  In the end, all that matters are the results.  If Trump makes things better, he will have succeeded.  Not that the left will acknowledge any of it.

The term "better" is subjective, and very much in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Define what he has to do to be a "success", in your view. Furthermore, if he ends up starting a war, how is that measured against say, building his wall (which you seem to believe we so desperately need).

 

The fact that Trump has a Republican Congress, should easily make his job of getting his agenda through....very easy.

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We don't know for certain if Trump is a billionaire

 

At a minimum, he has assets worth at least a Billion but we don't know how much debt he has or what percentage of his assets are owned by outside investors

 

Trump is known to exaggerate everything from the size of his hands to the size of his crowds...

Release his taxes. The truth will come out.

 

He's had a lot of epic failures, and much of his "wealth" is leveraged.

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The term "better" is subjective, and very much in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Define what he has to do to be a "success", in your view. Furthermore, if he ends up starting a war, how is that measured against say, building his wall (which you seem to believe we so desperately need).

 

The fact that Trump has a Republican Congress, should easily make his job of getting his agenda through....very easy.

Well, it's not all subjective.  Obama averaged 1.6% GDP growth per year over eight years.  Trump should easily be able to better that.  Secondly, I don't see Trump starting any wars.  He wants to let adversaries know we are willing to hold them accountable but I don't see any war unless some limited action of ours caused the nut in NK to attack SK.  I doubt China wants any of that, either, so war is unlikely, IMO.  If the economy improves, ISIS is defeated, illegal immigration is reduced and our standing with our allies is enhanced, I'll consider it a success.

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Yes, it does.  But a million doesn't turn into a billion all by itself.  Not too many of us turn every dollar we receive into a thousand.

 

Nope .... mainly since most people have to worry about the piddly little things like food, shelter, gas bills, taxes and so on. So there is a big slice right off the bat. Not Trumps model.

 

But if one invests correctly, doesn't decide to buy the latest car, cell phone or fashion. You can accumulate with proper time and investments a fair amount of change. WITHOUT SCREWING OTHER PEOPLE.

 

Not bragging here. Just stating facts. I never made over 80000 a year. Yet, I own my home, cars debt free. I was also able to retire early the result of serious heart surgery, comfortably because of my investments. So it can be done.

I don't own two homes, the one I have is not on the shore. But most importantly ... I did it by myself... I had no grub stake like Trump and most importantly I NEVER SCREWED ANYONE TO GET AHEAD.

 

There is no ignoring the fact that Trump is smart... he is highly educated in the field of manipulation, lying, deciet and using people. On what I consider intelligence....well let me put it this way.....I wouldn't trust him to walk my dog or change the kitty litter. He is that stupid in real terms.

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Release his taxes. The truth will come out.

 

He's had a lot of epic failures, and much of his "wealth" is leveraged.

I think he should release the returns.  His net worth or tax payments have nothing to do with governing.  

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Yes, it does.  But a million doesn't turn into a billion all by itself.  Not too many of us turn every dollar we receive into a thousand.

None of us know, for sure, whether that is his NET worth?

 

Nevertheless, sometimes becoming rich means being at the right place (in the market), at the right time.

 

A number of my college classmates are now multi-millionaires (as in 50-100's of millions) because they had an idea, at the right time in the market they were in, and parlayed that idea into profitable IP. Silicon Valley, Boston and Seattle are full of people like this.

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The term "better" is subjective, and very much in the eyes of the beholder.

 

Define what he has to do to be a "success", in your view. Furthermore, if he ends up starting a war, how is that measured against say, building his wall (which you seem to believe we so desperately need).

 

The fact that Trump has a Republican Congress, should easily make his job of getting his agenda through....very easy.

 

ahhhh yeah ....we can see how that is flying

 

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Well, it's not all subjective.  Obama averaged 1.6% GDP growth per year over eight years.  Trump should easily be able to better that.  Secondly, I don't see Trump starting any wars.  He wants to let adversaries know we are willing to hold them accountable but I don't see any war unless some limited action of ours caused the nut in NK to attack SK.  I doubt China wants any of that, either, so war is unlikely, IMO.  If the economy improves, ISIS is defeated, illegal immigration is reduced and our standing with our allies is enhanced, I'll consider it a success.

Yes it is, subjective.

 

I'll ask you again: what things does Trump need to do, and by what measure shall we measure those accomplishment...to assess whether he has been successful?

 

And my point about a war is....he will not be successful in everything, so there will be pluses and minus on any "success" ledger. How do you weigh something like a GDP improvement, over getting us into a war, for example? The two are clearly different...so, how do you normalize? Something important to you may not be important to me. Subjectivity comes into play.

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I think he should release the returns.  His net worth or tax payments have nothing to do with governing.

No, but business dealings do impact decisions.

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And here I thought you were going to remain rational. Let's stick to this country, shall we? We have as much similarity to Nazi Germany as we do to Mao's China or the Soviet Union. The fugitive slave law was the law. If people found it to be an odious law, they could change it. However, we are talking about illegal aliens, not slaves. That is a diversion.

The analogies relate to following "the law" Without questioning it.

 

Of course you don't want to go there. Some of the most inhumane acts in history have been committed through "following the law".

 

That is why it makes for such a poor argument.

 

If you cannot provide a reason for something other than "its the law", you should probably think twice about supporting it.

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Care to elaborate?

Trump inherited the best economy numbers since 2006

 

Who was President before Trump?

 

CNBC:

The stock market is at all-time highs. Though growth in the gross domestic product is slow by historical standards, the economy is in the tenth year of one of the longest sustained expansions in history.

 

And the U.S. job market, which is creating jobs faster than employers can fill them, appears to be stronger than it's been in nearly a decade.

 

The supporting evidence goes far beyond the nonfarm unemployment rate that draws the most attention every month.

 

The latest report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics — the decades-old survey that Trump took issue with during the campaign — showed that the U.S. economy added an estimated 227,000 new jobs last month, while the unemployment rate ticked up to 4.8 percent.

 

So, why the gloom and doom about jobs within the Trump administration and among tens of millions of his supporters?

 

While those job market indicators show strength overall, they mask a much longer-term shift that has sharply divided the fortunes of American workers.

 

Simply put, the U.S. doesn't have a jobs shortage, it has a skills shortage.

 

For a variety of reasons, workers with less than some college training have been losing ground to their better-educated peers for decades.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trumps-inherited-mess-hard-to-find-in-economic-data.html

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You actually sound somewhat rational here.  Nice job.  By right, we can deport all of them.  The reality is that it will never happen.  The criminals, the felons, the johnny come latelies; they have to go.  Those here for a long time and established will stay.  Despite the hysteria, we are not deporting farm workers, housemaids and gardeners.

It's completely rationale.

 

Trump has shown that those who have been here for a long time will not neccesary stay. He has deported them too.

 

So you are incorrect.

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I hate to break this to a loyal gay Democrat like yourself, but white faces tend to be the most tolerant towards your lifestyle. Yet ironically, the LGBT crowd (most Caucasian themselves) are quick to jump on the anti-white bandwagon. The same goes for the tolerance towards Islam. I bet many young kids in school are mislead to believe that Islam and Progressivism are synonymous. People like you do nothing to dispel that notion either.

Then why is the white party so opposed to them?

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Well, it's not all subjective. Obama averaged 1.6% GDP growth per year over eight years. Trump should easily be able to better that.

Trump is off to a slow start. There are no signs that annual GDP growth will exceed 2% this year.

 

Maybe it will happen eventually but nothing Trump has done so far has done anything to boost economic growth

 

 

Secondly, I don't see Trump starting any wars. He wants to let adversaries know we are willing to hold them accountable but I don't see any war unless some limited action of ours caused the nut in NK to attack SK. I doubt China wants any of that, either, so war is unlikely, IMO. If the economy improves, ISIS is defeated, illegal immigration is reduced and our standing with our allies is enhanced, I'll consider it a success.

That will only get him so far

 

Once our adversaries know Trump is unwilling to start a War, they will ignore his threats

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Trump inherited the best economy numbers since 2006

 

Who was President before Trump?

 

CNBC:

 

The stock market is at all-time highs. Though growth in the gross domestic product is slow by historical standards, the economy is in the tenth year of one of the longest sustained expansions in history.

 

And the U.S. job market, which is creating jobs faster than employers can fill them, appears to be stronger than it's been in nearly a decade.

 

The supporting evidence goes far beyond the nonfarm unemployment rate that draws the most attention every month.

 

The latest report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics — the decades-old survey that Trump took issue with during the campaign — showed that the U.S. economy added an estimated 227,000 new jobs last month, while the unemployment rate ticked up to 4.8 percent.

 

So, why the gloom and doom about jobs within the Trump administration and among tens of millions of his supporters?

 

While those job market indicators show strength overall, they mask a much longer-term shift that has sharply divided the fortunes of American workers.

 

Simply put, the U.S. doesn't have a jobs shortage, it has a skills shortage.

 

For a variety of reasons, workers with less than some college training have been losing ground to their better-educated peers for decades.

 

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trumps-inherited-mess-hard-to-find-in-economic-data.html

Please tell me how any of that is attributable to Obama?  What did he do to lift the stock market?  What did he do to create quality jobs?  Real wages adjusted for inflation didn't rise.  They haven't really risen since 1979.  We had the lowest GDP growth over a term in 90 years.  How is that "saving" the economy?   What really saved it was the stimulus package, which Obama, or any president, would have been forced to accept.  The alternative was having a score of major bank failures and recession or depression.

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Trump is off to a slow start. There are no signs that annual GDP growth will exceed 2% this year.

 

Maybe it will happen eventually but nothing Trump has done so far has done anything to boost economic growth

 

 

 

That will only get him so far

 

Once our adversaries know Trump is unwilling to start a War, they will ignore his threats

How are they going to know that?  You don't know what will start a war until you finally cause one to start.  Nobody wants a war.  NK can't possibly win a war with the US and SK and I doubt that China would try save their bacon. However, China also doesn;t want a free and united Korea all the way to their borders.  For that reason, China will eventually keep NK in line.

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The analogies relate to following "the law" Without questioning it.

 

Of course you don't want to go there. Some of the most inhumane acts in history have been committed through "following the law".

 

That is why it makes for such a poor argument.

 

If you cannot provide a reason for something other than "its the law", you should probably think twice about supporting it.

I see, so our immigration law and wanting to maintain a sovereign border are suddenly inhumane.  That would make every other nation that secures its borders inhumane as well.  You seem to want a borderless world.

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Please tell me how any of that is attributable to Obama?  What did he do to lift the stock market?  What did he do to create quality jobs? 

 

President Obama helped stabilize the economy after it fell into a tailspin between 2008 and 2009. Since then, we're now approaching pre-2007 highs in several economic indicators

 

Despite the doomsday predictions about Obamacare killing jobs, it has had the opposite affect on the economy. Hiring in the healthcare industry is booming

 

Example: Healthcare drives yearly job growth

 

 

 Real wages adjusted for inflation didn't rise.  They haven't really risen since 1979.  

 

Another swing and miss by Veritas:

 

Wage Growth Surged to a Seven-Year High in 2016

 

 

We had the lowest GDP growth over a term in 90 years.  How is that "saving" the economy?   What really saved it was the stimulus package, which Obama, or any president, would have been forced to accept.  The alternative was having a score of major bank failures and recession or depression.

 

There are lots of different factors contributing to GDP growth

 

Most economists think 1.5-2.5% annually is the New Normal

 

Forbes: 

 

Estimates suggest the new normal for U.S. GDP growth has dropped to between 1½ and 1¾%, noticeably slower than the typical postwar pace. The slowdown stems mainly from demographics and educational attainment. As baby boomers retire, employment growth shrinks. And educational attainment of the workforce has plateaued, reducing its contribution to productivity growth through labor quality. The GDP growth forecast assumes that, apart from these effects, the modest productivity growth is relatively “normal”—in line with its pace for most of the period since 1973.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/10/12/the-new-normal-us-economic-growth-stuck-at-1-5-1-75-of-gdp/#1f0d24b2338b

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Yes it is, subjective.

 

I'll ask you again: what things does Trump need to do, and by what measure shall we measure those accomplishment...to assess whether he has been successful?

 

And my point about a war is....he will not be successful in everything, so there will be pluses and minus on any "success" ledger. How do you weigh something like a GDP improvement, over getting us into a war, for example? The two are clearly different...so, how do you normalize? Something important to you may not be important to me. Subjectivity comes into play.

GDP growth is a number.  It is clearly easy to compare for people who give it credence.  As for a war, let's worry about that when and if one ever starts.  I don't think Trump wants a war when he has so much domestic stuff on his hands.  After the Iraq fiasco, we better have a very good reason for any war.  NK is the only place where I see the possibility but I think it is a low one.

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How are they going to know that?  You don't know what will start a war until you finally cause one to start.  Nobody wants a war.  NK can't possibly win a war with the US and SK and I doubt that China would try save their bacon. However, China also doesn;t want a free and united Korea all the way to their borders.  For that reason, China will eventually keep NK in line.

 

I don't think any of our adversaries want to provoke a war with the US

What I think they will continue to do is "whatever they want" short of anything that directly harms the US or our allies

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President Obama helped stabilize the economy after it fell into a tailspin between 2008 and 2009. Since then, we're now approaching pre-2007 highs in several economic indicators

 

Despite the doomsday predictions about Obamacare killing jobs, it has had the opposite affect on the economy. Hiring in the healthcare industry is booming

 

Example: Healthcare drives yearly job growth

 

 

Another swing and miss by Veritas:

 

Wage Growth Surged to a Seven-Year High in 2016

 

 

There are lots of different factors contributing to GDP growth

 

Most economists think 1.5-2.5% annually is the New Normal

 

Forbes: 

 

Estimates suggest the new normal for U.S. GDP growth has dropped to between 1½ and 1¾%, noticeably slower than the typical postwar pace. The slowdown stems mainly from demographics and educational attainment. As baby boomers retire, employment growth shrinks. And educational attainment of the workforce has plateaued, reducing its contribution to productivity growth through labor quality. The GDP growth forecast assumes that, apart from these effects, the modest productivity growth is relatively “normal”—in line with its pace for most of the period since 1973.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/10/12/the-new-normal-us-economic-growth-stuck-at-1-5-1-75-of-gdp/#1f0d24b2338b

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/09/for-most-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

 

A 7 year high only means that it's better than 2009.  That doesn't mean we've had any actual growth over the long term.  It has barely moved.

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