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Shooting at GOP baseball practice

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19 minutes ago, woody said:

The shooter was an absolute Bernie Sanders backer who was full of anger.  He targeted Republican congressmen so he was full of anger against them.  Trump uses strong rhetoric for sure but nothing like the gang of Democrats who continue it and whine about the election outcome.  They will not stop but should shut down their language and work to make the country better.  But they will not.  The media, all of it, needs to calm things down too.  Probably will not and it won't stop. 

What about all the trumpanzees who actually murdered people?

Why were you so silent then?

The one time it's not one of them and only NOW it's a problem?

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19 minutes ago, woody said:

The shooter was an absolute Bernie Sanders backer who was full of anger.  He targeted Republican congressmen so he was full of anger against them.  Trump uses strong rhetoric for sure but nothing like the gang of Democrats who continue it and whine about the election outcome.  They will not stop but should shut down their language and work to make the country better.  But they will not.  The media, all of it, needs to calm things down too.  Probably will not and it won't stop. 

Democrats call for violence like Trump has done? Can you please give us examples? The media calls for violence like Trump has done? Can you please give examples?

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1 hour ago, alienrace said:

Nobody has to "try" to politicize it - the event was a politically motivated shooting.  It does that all on it's own.

Do we know that for sure yet? Did he leave a note?

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1 hour ago, mrdeltoid said:

To be fair, when the nutball out west was insulting the Muslim women then stabbed the two guys that tried to help them, there were many on the left that said that Trump was the cause. Just like when the Jewish cemeteries were vandalized, they were "emboldened by Trump". So here's what happens when people use a tragedy to push an agenda. Now it's turned on them. The left can't be dropping F bombs at rallys, saying republicans are gonna cause children to die, and poison the air, and ripping apart families, Madonna saying she thinks often of blowing up the white house, Kathy Griffen staging a beheading of the president, a teacher making a pinata out of a Trump head and have the kids beat his head till it comes apart, Schumer saying republicans  are taking food from the elderly, and so on, and so forth.

The teacher example is similar to the tar and feather concept

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1 hour ago, ncbirdfan said:

You reap what you sow. It is definitely a hostile political climate, and Trump is part of the problem. He could be a leader and publicly denounce all violence but he has encouraged it when it is against HIS enemies. And if Republicans pass their health bill, people ARE going to die and with the pollution deregulation our streams and air WILL be polluted. And I somehow doubt there are many teachers with Trump pinatas.

As far as celebrities - didn't Griffin pay for her mistake with her firing at CNN and loss in public appearances? Didn't the public universally condemn her? And Madonna? Who gets advise from her? And in all of these cases, is anyone advocating violence or killing?  And what leader on the left even comes close to advocating violence as a means to get something accomplished?

A nutjob like the killer today. You reap what you sow? The pubbies brought this on? it's their fault?

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35 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

A nutjob like the killer today. You reap what you sow? The pubbies brought this on? it's their fault?

No. This is a crazy man; but the right's talking point is that the left promotes violence. They also have emphasized  and make it a big deal that he is a Bernie Sanders supporter even though Sanders himself advocates against violence. Trump on the other hand has encouraged violence in his campaign and continues to do so. This gives the crazies a license to act out on their craziness. If Trump ever steps up against violence he needs to do it now and be consistent thereafter.

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3 minutes ago, ncbirdfan said:

No. This is a crazy man; but the right's talking point is that the left promotes violence. They also have emphasized  and make it a big deal that he is a Bernie Sanders supporter even though Sanders himself advocates against violence. Trump on the other hand has encouraged violence in his campaign and continues to do so.

Things go silent on this subject.......as they say the silence speaks volumes.

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2 hours ago, woody said:

The shooter was an absolute Bernie Sanders backer who was full of anger.  He targeted Republican congressmen so he was full of anger against them.  Trump uses strong rhetoric for sure but nothing like the gang of Democrats who continue it and whine about the election outcome.  They will not stop but should shut down their language and work to make the country better.  But they will not.  The media, all of it, needs to calm things down too.  Probably will not and it won't stop. 

Really?  Nothing like the Dems huh?  Have the Dems actually said they'd like to punch someone in the face?  Have the Dems said that in the old days that guy would be taken out on a stretcher?  Have the Dems said that they'd pay the legal bills of supporters who roughed up protesters?  Come on now

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How sad.  As heated as the political climate is in this country, we should be thankful that this type of crime is rare.

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1 hour ago, jtowne-swim said:

Do we know that for sure yet? Did he leave a note?

Yeah, on Facebook.  And, oh, he asked people if it was Democrats or Republicans practicing prior to the shooting. 

If you don't see it, you don't want to see it.

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5 hours ago, Dr Johnny Fever said:

The shooter got off 50 rounds.......some security.

The Post has a timeline and position of events with imagery of the field:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/congress-baseball-shooting/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_maps-2pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e366f6467ee6

The detail was on the opposite side of the field near the dugout. The shooter was at the outfield transition. That's at least a 50 meter distance (typically the maximum effective range of a pistol), and the officers were armed with pistols and the shooter had a rifle. Not a good situation. It seems like the detail did a really good job considering they were ambushed and had defensive weapons (pistols) facing an offensive one (rifle).

I'd like to point out here to those who have never had someone popping rounds off at or near them that it likely took the officers a little while to locate the shooter, particularly if he was moving behind things like fences and dugouts in sunlight (no apparent muzzle flash). It sucks, because you just went from normal things to crapping your pants in an instant, you're trying to recover from the adrenaline, and then you're trying to react to the situation properly.

This isn't a TV show. You don't get a camera that focuses on the shooter then have the composure to accurately place really long shots under that kind of pressure. These guys were able to face up with the shooter enough to get him down, and that means they probably get good training for a police department.

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34 minutes ago, bmorepunk said:

The Post has a timeline and position of events with imagery of the field:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/local/congress-baseball-shooting/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_maps-2pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e366f6467ee6

The detail was on the opposite side of the field near the dugout. The shooter was at the outfield transition. That's at least a 50 meter distance (typically the maximum effective range of a pistol), and the officers were armed with pistols and the shooter had a rifle. Not a good situation. It seems like the detail did a really good job considering they were ambushed and had defensive weapons (pistols) facing an offensive one (rifle).

I'd like to point out here to those who have never had someone popping rounds off at or near them that it likely took the officers a little while to locate the shooter, particularly if he was moving behind things like fences and dugouts in sunlight (no apparent muzzle flash). It sucks, because you just went from normal things to crapping your pants in an instant, you're trying to recover from the adrenaline, and then you're trying to react to the situation properly.

This isn't a TV show. You don't get a camera that focuses on the shooter then have the composure to accurately place really long shots under that kind of pressure. These guys were able to face up with the shooter enough to get him down, and that means they probably get good training for a police department.

There were many reports of the officers heroism. 

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10 hours ago, Ode2Joy said:

He attacked Republicans.  I think he's starting to profile out as another Bernie supporter.  You're also wrong about the gun laws where the alleged gunman is from, but don't let that stop you from making false and erroneous statements.

Yeah you're right,... I gotta back-step on that. Very early bits and pieces clearly had him profiling out as a crazed conservative,... middle age+ white male, suburban center America (Illinois), small business blue collar entrepreneur, type of weapon etc. But that FB page changed every bit of that. Gotta admit, I was headed in the wrong direction on that one, but I did say "...it's looking like", and I mentioned that time will bring more out on his character and motives. 

I mentioned nothing about Illinois gun laws,... sounds like you confusing me with another poster. I only made mention of the type of assault weapon the news reported him using.

If you re-read my post, I made no statements,... only what things were beginning to look like. I'm large enough to admit making a mis-call,... you don't have to pile on with your own false and erroneous statements! Ok.

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2 hours ago, alienrace said:

Yeah, on Facebook.  And, oh, he asked people if it was Democrats or Republicans practicing prior to the shooting. 

If you don't see it, you don't want to see it.

I hadn't heard about the note and the guy on fox and friends they interviewed wasn't sure if it was the same guy. That said it sounds like it was motivated by such but we have seen lots of stories change

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2 hours ago, banner1124 said:

Really?  Nothing like the Dems huh?  Have the Dems actually said they'd like to punch someone in the face?  Have the Dems said that in the old days that guy would be taken out on a stretcher?  Have the Dems said that they'd pay the legal bills of supporters who roughed up protesters?  Come on now

No, although Trump well he's on that last promise.

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9 hours ago, ncbirdfan said:

Democrats call for violence like Trump has done? Can you please give us examples? The media calls for violence like Trump has done? Can you please give examples?

As you get older you learn some tough lessons. One of those lessons is that some people are just disgusting pigs.

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10 hours ago, ncbirdfan said:

 This gives the crazies a license to act out on their craziness.

snoop video shooting a trump lookalike

kathy griffen with pic of severed trump head

the assasination julius cesaer play in new york

madonna says blow up the white house

cnn host calls trump peice of **** on the air

etc

we have some blame too when it comes to giveing the crazies ideas

 

 

 

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maybe the cheeto-in-chief will finally tone down his statements about using violence against his enemies.

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41 minutes ago, DreadPirateRoberts said:

snoop video shooting a trump lookalike

kathy griffen with pic of severed trump head

the assasination julius cesaer play in new york

madonna says blow up the white house

cnn host calls trump peice of **** on the air

etc

we have some blame too when it comes to giveing the crazies ideas

 

 

 

Wow. What branch of government are these celebrities in?

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I don't understand why the responses are not simply in support of the six people injured by this man yesterday.

The flip responses such as "reap what you sow" just serve to debase us as a society.

Every once in a while it's okay not to blame millions of people on "the other side" for the actions of one.

And it's okay to admit that there are people who are amoral regardless of their political bend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, alienrace said:

Yeah, on Facebook.  And, oh, he asked people if it was Democrats or Republicans practicing prior to the shooting. 

If you don't see it, you don't want to see it.

Maybe he found the field he wanted on his 1st try. The Dems were practicing a few miles away at another field.

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11 minutes ago, Sprightly said:

I don't understand why the responses are not simply in support of the six people injured by this man yesterday.

The flip responses such as "reap what you sow" just serve to debase us as a society.

Every once in a while it's okay not to blame millions of people on "the other side" for the actions of one.

And it's okay to admit that there are people who are amoral regardless of their political bend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the cup of rationality.

This shooting has brought out the absolute worst in 'some people'.

'Amoral' or simply bat-sheet crazy, some folks are just too far gone.

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12 minutes ago, Sprightly said:

I don't understand why the responses are not simply in support of the six people injured by this man yesterday.

The flip responses such as "reap what you sow" just serve to debase us as a society.

Every once in a while it's okay not to blame millions of people on "the other side" for the actions of one.

And it's okay to admit that there are people who are amoral regardless of their political bend.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's how it should have been but...

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