Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
hst2

45 Years after Watergate - Nixon was worse than we thought

30 posts in this topic

Nixon's 5 wars

Quote

In the course of his five-and-a-half-year presidency, beginning in 1969, Nixon launched and managed five successive and overlapping wars — against the anti-Vietnam War movement, the news media, the Democrats, the justice system and, finally, against history itself. All reflected a mind-set and a pattern of behavior that were uniquely and pervasively Nixon’s: a willingness to disregard the law for political advantage, and a quest for dirt and secrets about his opponents as an organizing principle of his presidency.

Long before the Watergate break-in, gumshoeing, burglary, wiretapping and political sabotage had become a way of life in the Nixon White House.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I remember those days when to a lot of people, Nixon was nothing less than the Devil Incarnate! And people Now are screaming about The Donald? I just don't see the comparison.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

"But how would voters react if they knew the president of the Untied States was presiding over 'a complex, far-reaching and sinister operation on the part of the White House aides and the Nixon campaign organization...involving sabotage, forgery, theft of confidential files, surveillance of Democratic candidates and their families and persistent efforts to lay the basis for possible blackmail and intimidation" That ugly description came form the New York Times editorial on Thursday, October 12th.' Four days later, the...poll showed Nixon ahead by an incredible 20 points....over the man Bobby Kennedy described as "the most decent man in the senate."

...The tragedy of all this is that George McGovern, for all his mistakes and all his imprecise talk about "new politics" and "honesty in government" is one of the few men who've run for president of the United states in this century who really understands what a fantastic monument to all the best instincts of the human race this country might have been. If we could have kept it out of the hands of greedy little hustlers like Richard Nixon.

McGovern made some stupid mistakes, but in context they seem almost frivolous compared to the things Richard Nixon does every day of his life, on purpose, as a matter of policy and a perfect expression of everything he stands for.

Jesus! Where will it end? How low do you have to stoop in this country to be president?"

Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, 1972. Hunter S. Thompson.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Bartman said:

I remember those days when to a lot of people, Nixon was nothing less than the Devil Incarnate! And people Now are screaming about The Donald? I just don't see the comparison.

They're both a couple of "greedy, little hustlers".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just finished watching a Watergate special on MNBC news. It bought back a lot of memory's. it is amazing when they listed at the end of the show how many other laws in the Nixion White House had been broken and not prosecuted.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nixon was where the cracks really started to show again in the American dream.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

13 hours ago, UTAH RAVEN said:

Just finished watching a Watergate special on MNBC news. It bought back a lot of memory's. it is amazing when they listed at the end of the show how many other laws in the Nixion White House had been broken and not prosecuted.

that program was made in 2013. It did bring back a lot of memories and interesting parallels. Funny what power mixed with hubris can produce. Nixon had members of his loyal "staff" who went to jail protecting the president. Can't see that happening again. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Ford not pardoned Nixon.

I never thought this would happen again...however, history does have a habit of repeating itself...

Edited by can you hear me now!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As a nation we've just got to build up a real innate immunity to national sicknesses like Nixon, Bush, and Trump. I think it just wasn't severe enough the first few times and we just let each iteration get worse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, hst2 said:

They're both a couple of "greedy, little hustlers".

Nixon established the EPA. How bad could he be?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
14 hours ago, hst2 said:

They're both a couple of "greedy, little hustlers".

Nixon was a true patriot who did what it took for the betterment of the US. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, flyboy56 said:

Nixon was a true patriot who did what it took for the betterment of the US. 

'Doesn't change the fact that he was also a cheap-suit thug and liar.

His suck-ups still love him and wish to re-write history.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
33 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

Nixon established the EPA. How bad could he be?

I suggest you read the article at the beginning of the thread.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

Nixon was a true patriot who did what it took for the betterment of the US. 

true patriots don't disgrace the office by having to resign to avoid impeachment. true patriots don't obstruct justice either. just a few of those things nixon did that weren't so patriotic...not to mention destroy evidence.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 hours ago, hst2 said:
 

Yet he did more for race relations than all the presidents before him.  He was an odd duck and as secretive as anyone short of Hillary, but he put JFK and LBJ to shame on race.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, jdsample said:

Yet he did more for race relations than all the presidents before him.  He was an odd duck and as secretive as anyone short of Hillary, but he put JFK and LBJ to shame on race.  

Southern Strategy

"In American politics, the southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to the racism against African Americans.[1][2][3]

As the Civil Rights Movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened pre-existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South to the Republican Party that had traditionally supported the Democratic Party.[4] It also helped push the Republican Party much more to the right."

Thanks, Tricky ****!

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2017 at 1:04 AM, Calamari said:

Nixon was where the cracks really started to show again in the American dream.

And when was the first time that cracks showed in the American Dream?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Why are Libs so obsessed with Nixon?

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2017 at 2:30 PM, can you hear me now! said:

that program was made in 2013. It did bring back a lot of memories and interesting parallels. Funny what power mixed with hubris can produce. Nixon had members of his loyal "staff" who went to jail protecting the president. Can't see that happening again. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened had Ford not pardoned Nixon.

I never thought this would happen again...however, history does have a habit of repeating itself...

The difference is Nixon was smart, and up to the job. And he did some good times.

I've always seen him as Shakespearean in the sense of his flaws that brought him down. Couldn't rise about his deep sense of inferiority--loathed the "effete elites", the Ivy League crowd epitomized by JFK etc. He was obsessed by it, became a full blown paranoid.

Always thought it was funny. Had he simply admitted the Watergate burglars were connected to a rogue group within the Committe to Re-elect the President and disavowed them, think he would have survived. People who didn't live through it probably don't realize how little a chance he had of losing the '72 election. (Which made the break-in even more bone-headed).

But he couldn't give his "enemies" a win. Who knows.

Comparing Trump to Nixon is an insult to Nixon. Nixon was competent. Succumbed to his lesser angels and devolved into a criminal. But there was some there, there. Trump is incompetent, completely immoral and an embarrassment.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nixon had a criminal mind. Trump is just arrogant and corrupt. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted (edited)

1 hour ago, ms maggie said:

The difference is Nixon was smart, and up to the job. And he did some good times.

I've always seen him as Shakespearean in the sense of his flaws that brought him down. Couldn't rise about his deep sense of inferiority--loathed the "effete elites", the Ivy League crowd epitomized by JFK etc. He was obsessed by it, became a full blown paranoid.

Always thought it was funny. Had he simply admitted the Watergate burglars were connected to a rogue group within the Committe to Re-elect the President and disavowed them, think he would have survived. People who didn't live through it probably don't realize how little a chance he had of losing the '72 election. (Which made the break-in even more bone-headed).

But he couldn't give his "enemies" a win. Who knows.

Comparing Trump to Nixon is an insult to Nixon. Nixon was competent. Succumbed to his lesser angels and devolved into a criminal. But there was some there, there. Trump is incompetent, completely immoral and an embarrassment.

Both being arrogant, amoral and corrupt, it seems like it just comes in ways that reflect who they are.Nixon was a politician. Trump is, even still,  a businessman.

Edited by hst2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/18/2017 at 2:51 PM, flyboy56 said:

Nixon established the EPA. How bad could he be?

Nixon did a whole raft of things that the left would be happy to take ownership of but now downplay because it was Nixon.  They've ignored anything good he did and have made him into a cartoon character.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, veritas said:

Nixon did a whole raft of things that the left would be happy to take ownership of but now downplay because it was Nixon.  They've ignored anything good he did and have made him into a cartoon character.

 

"a complex, far-reaching and sinister operation on the part of the White House aides and the Nixon campaign organization......involving sabotage, forgery, theft of confidential files, surveillance of Democratic candidates and their families and persistent efforts to lay the basis for possible blackmail and intimidation" That ugly description came form the New York Times editorial on Thursday, October 12th"

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 11:57 PM, Bartman said:

I remember those days when to a lot of people, Nixon was nothing less than the Devil Incarnate! And people Now are screaming about The Donald? I just don't see the comparison.

There is none.

Nixon worked to circumvent the execu. branch gov. apparatus; predecessors, successors did the same, altho falling short of dedicating their entire pres'y (1972-1974) to disrupting gov., which Nixon did.

OTOH, Pres. Trump finds biz/gov. apparatus anathema, if he's even occasionally aware of it. He doesn't circumvent gov. as much he attacks, diverts attn. from, & ignores it. Pretends it doesn't exist. The press reported this talent as "anti-establishment," "populist" but still concluded he was a genuine Repo. prez. candidate.

Eventually, Nixon stuck around long enough to face the working gov.; then, overwhelmed, he resigned. Trump will just plain desert the office, w/ the same gusto that he's deserted his so-called deals & his loans. The press will get plenty of mileage out of questioning Trump's integrity, when it knows there is not now nor ever has been any.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Hexexis said:

There is none.

Nixon worked to circumvent the execu. branch gov. apparatus; predecessors, successors did the same, altho falling short of dedicating their entire pres'y (1972-1974) to disrupting gov., which Nixon did.

OTOH, Pres. Trump finds biz/gov. apparatus anathema, if he's even occasionally aware of it. He doesn't circumvent gov. as much he attacks, diverts attn. from, & ignores it. Pretends it doesn't exist. The press reported this talent as "anti-establishment," "populist" but still concluded he was a genuine Repo. prez. candidate.

Eventually, Nixon stuck around long enough to face the working gov.; then, overwhelmed, he resigned. Trump will just plain desert the office, w/ the same gusto that he's deserted his so-called deals & his loans. The press will get plenty of mileage out of questioning Trump's integrity, when it knows there is not now nor ever has been any.

They have one thing in common. In both cases, Americans knew just what kind of monster they were voting for and voted for him anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0