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McConnell facing the music on ACA..

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The most amazing thing I have heard in this whole saga is McConnell saying that, if they can't get this turd sandwich passed, he might have to actually negotiate with the democrats to make improvements to the ACA. My god, what a concept. The two parties getting together to find common ground and improve an existing, but imperfect law.

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17 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

The most amazing thing I have heard in this whole saga is McConnell saying that, if they can't get this turd sandwich passed, he might have to actually negotiate with the democrats to make improvements to the ACA. My god, what a concept. The two parties getting together to find common ground and improve an existing, but imperfect law.

A startlingly democratic idea.

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The only reason, and I mean the only one, Republicans hate the ACA is because it's President Obama's signature legislation. Single payer would be better. The ACA is the best option in the meantime.

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I really,really hope nothing gets passed.

Let O Care collapse upon itself since some can't see the writing on the wall.

Then you'll blame Trump anyway.

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The problem with making improvements on the ACA is the question of how to make a better train wreck.   It seems the GOP learned nothing from what happened to the democrats in 2010.  

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The senior White House official said the White House is continuing to work with Senate Republicans to tweak the current bill to secure the 50 GOP votes needed, but added that the White House would support a standalone repeal bill to force Democrats to the table to work on a replacement, should the current bill die.

Puzzling why the WH seems to believe that would give them any leverage whatsoever.

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Hillary Clinton fires back at GOP tweet demanding her healthcare plan

Hillary Clinton fired back at the Republican National Committee on Wednesday after the GOP’s official Twitter account lashed out at her in an attempt to deflect from the Republican Party’s inability to pass a health care reform bill.

“Right here,” Clinton said in response to a tweet and Facebook post in which the GOP asked her and the Democratic Party about their own health care plan.

“Includes radical provisions like how not to kick 23 mil ppl off their coverage,” Clinton continued. “Feel free to run w/it.”

https://mic.com/articles/181530/hillary-clinton-fires-back-at-gop-tweet-demanding-her-health-care-plan#.vDXQQRjTE

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1 hour ago, michiganjoe said:

Puzzling why the WH seems to believe that would give them any leverage whatsoever.

If it was allegedly much better before, why not just go back to that?

 

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32 minutes ago, bmorepunk said:

If it was allegedly much better before, why not just go back to that?

 

Because of the ridiculous idea that government must do something to everyone.

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2 hours ago, SemiAuto said:

The problem with making improvements on the ACA is the question of how to make a better train wreck.   It seems the GOP learned nothing from what happened to the democrats in 2010.  

The problem with the ACA is the problem with an oligarchy.  Your strange belief that less regulation is the answer when it's the problem is silly. The ACA won't be viable until the profit is taken out of healthcare. This simple straightforward human notion used to be the law until a republican (Nixon) changed it.  Koch Bros have you libertarians barking at trees.

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3 minutes ago, zenwalk said:

The problem with the ACA is the problem with an oligarchy.  Your strange belief that less regulation is the answer when it's the problem is silly. The ACA won't be viable until the profit is taken out of healthcare. This simple straightforward human notion used to be the law until a republican (Nixon) changed it.  Koch Bros have you libertarians barking at trees.

As usual, you're making no sense.   The problem is the regulations of the ACA yet you still insist less regulation is not the way.   You're the oligarchy's best friend spouting off such rubbish.   

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2 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

As usual, you're making no sense.   The problem is the regulations of the ACA yet you still insist less regulation is not the way.   You're the oligarchy's best friend spouting off such rubbish.   

Common sense is rubbish to you guys? That explains a lot. Keep barking up that tree. Make sure it doesn't get away.

The problem isn't regulation. The problem is the regulations are written by the businesses they supposedly regulate. But this is inevitable in an oligarchy. And an oligarchy is inevitable when you have a laissez faire economy.  Arf.

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3 hours ago, SemiAuto said:

The problem with making improvements on the ACA is the question of how to make a better train wreck.   It seems the GOP learned nothing from what happened to the democrats in 2010.  

It seems the GOP was luring about having a plan!

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54 minutes ago, zenwalk said:

Common sense is rubbish to you guys? That explains a lot. Keep barking up that tree. Make sure it doesn't get away.

The problem isn't regulation. The problem is the regulations are written by the businesses they supposedly regulate. But this is inevitable in an oligarchy. And an oligarchy is inevitable when you have a laissez faire economy.  Arf.

Common sense?   The problem isn't the regulations but rather the regulations.     

I don't think you have a clue about what laissez faire means.   

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35 minutes ago, jtowne-swim said:

It seems the GOP was luring about having a plan!

Ironically enough, the ACA was based on their ideas.  

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4 hours ago, michiganjoe said:

Puzzling why the WH seems to believe that would give them any leverage whatsoever.

I think, and this is just a guess, they are thinking the dems would feel compelled to do what ever necessary because they don't want "people to die because they don't have insurance". 

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Really think it's nothing more than a political miscalculation. The WH seems to make them quite frequently.

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49 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

Ironically enough, the ACA was based on their ideas.  

True enough. They are blaming it on the dems because they don't want to be associated with "big government programs" as it may lose a lot of their base voters.

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Just now, michiganjoe said:

Really think it's nothing more than a political miscalculation. The WH seems to make them quite frequently.

This tends to happen a lot when they try to play both sides of the fence. Trump did that when pressed on the abortion issue as well. He served up enough waffles on that issue to feed all of congress.

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18 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

I think, and this is just a guess, they are thinking the dems would feel compelled to do what ever necessary because they don't want "people to die because they don't have insurance". 

Or maybe it's because they are a bankrupt party with no ideas except how to filch money for their sponsors.  If they are unwilling to control the profit taking in illness, yes healthcare will remain expensive.  The GOP is trying to back away from all their bravado and pass it back to the Democrats when the problem is the oligarchical control over the process.  

Edited by zenwalk

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There's a section of the Senate bill that is specifically designed to strengthen the markets and could easily be applied to the ACA. GOP isn't interested yet because it doesn't gut Medicaid or give a huge tax cut to the wealthy.

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1 hour ago, SemiAuto said:

Ironically enough, the ACA was based on their ideas.  

It wasn't until Jan 20, 2009 the became opposed to it.

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2 hours ago, SemiAuto said:

Common sense?   The problem isn't the regulations but rather the regulations.     

I don't think you have a clue about what laissez faire means.   

Letting markets decide themselves will always evolve into elements of the market making the market serve their necessities. If you can't see that then I'd suggest communism since your deficiency in acknowledging human nature makes you an ideal mark.  

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4 hours ago, zenwalk said:

The problem with the ACA is the problem with an oligarchy.  Your strange belief that less regulation is the answer when it's the problem is silly. The ACA won't be viable until the profit is taken out of healthcare. This simple straightforward human notion used to be the law until a republican (Nixon) changed it.  Koch Bros have you libertarians barking at trees.

He was making the same argument in 1917 and 1817..

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