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Is showing Elizabeth Warren in a 'Native American' headress racist?

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Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

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Warren made her own bed.  She's a public figure.  If she can't take criticism or satire, maybe she needs to retire.

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6 minutes ago, veritas said:

Warren made her own bed.  She's a public figure.  If she can't take criticism or satire, maybe she needs to retire.

You didn't really answer the question. But as one who paints racism as merely an economic necessity from a long time ago, your response to it can be predicted.

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11 minutes ago, gonzoliberal said:

Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

It is very disrespectful to Native Americans,

"Trump’s very use of Pocahontas’ name is disrespectful. The story of Pocahontas is heart-wrenching. Toward the end of her life she left her people, went to England, contracted a disease and died at a very young age. When I think of that story — and the hundreds of sad and disturbing stories of how Native people have suffered throughout history, I can’t imagine making a mockery of their names or their lives. In my culture, we have deep respect for our relatives who have gone before us. It would be an utter disgrace to carry on as Donald Trump has about a Native woman whose life was cut short in a terrible way."

And intended to dehumanize her. This is sort of an amusing observation:

"Trump’s comments may be racist against Native Americans, but he’s using it here to sarcastically suggest that Warren really isn’t Native American. (Which, oddly enough, proves that Trump can also be racist while trying to insult someone for being white.)"

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Just now, hst2 said:

You didn't really answer the question. But as one who paints racism as merely an economic necessity from a long time ago, your response to it can be predicted.

I'll answer it.  The answer is an emphatic NO.  The picture isn't speaking about Native Americans but about Warren's silly contention. The only thing that can be predicted is your narrow, tortured view of everything through the prism of racism.

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1 minute ago, hst2 said:

It is very disrespectful to Native Americans,

"Trump’s very use of Pocahontas’ name is disrespectful. The story of Pocahontas is heart-wrenching. Toward the end of her life she left her people, went to England, contracted a disease and died at a very young age. When I think of that story — and the hundreds of sad and disturbing stories of how Native people have suffered throughout history, I can’t imagine making a mockery of their names or their lives. In my culture, we have deep respect for our relatives who have gone before us. It would be an utter disgrace to carry on as Donald Trump has about a Native woman whose life was cut short in a terrible way."

And intended to dehumanize her. This is sort of an amusing observation:

"Trump’s comments may be racist against Native Americans, but he’s using it here to sarcastically suggest that Warren really isn’t Native American. (Which, oddly enough, proves that Trump can also be racist while trying to insult someone for being white.)"

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Yet, it is not Pocahontas but Warren whom Trump is mocking.  You leftists just don't get it at all.

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16 minutes ago, veritas said:

Warren made her own bed.  She's a public figure.  If she can't take criticism or satire, maybe she needs to retire.

And open a casino .......

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Posted (edited)

3 minutes ago, veritas said:

Yet, it is not Pocahontas but Warren whom Trump is mocking.  You leftists just don't get it at all.

We get that Pocahontas's sad legacy has no meaning for some other than for mockery.

Edited by hst2

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yes, but don't expect trump apologists to admit their hero or any of his supporters are racists....

 

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Just now, hst2 said:

We get that Pocahahontas's sad legacy has no meaning for some other than for mockery.

It has nothing to do with Pocahontas or her fate.  Your absurd twisting of everything into racism is indeed a spectacle.

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1 minute ago, can you hear me now! said:

yes, but don't expect trump apologists to admit their hero or any of his supporters are racists....

 

Racism is the last refuge for those without any real points to make.  Call your opponent a racist and make him deny it rather than address the topic.  Leftism 101.

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1 minute ago, veritas said:

It has nothing to do with Pocahontas or her fate.  Your absurd twisting of everything into racism is indeed a spectacle.

You continue to prove my point by discounting Pocahontas and her sad legacy.

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18 minutes ago, gonzoliberal said:

Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

No, but pretending to be a Native American might well be.

There's nothing wrong with using parody to point out Warren's hypocrisy and how she used unfounded and false ancestry claims to her personal advantage.

Lieawatha Warren used a false narrative to portray herself as something she wasn't just like Rachel Dolezal did.

 

 

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Just now, hst2 said:

You continue to prove my point by discounting Pocahontas and her sad legacy.

It's got nothing to do with her.  If any other name were used, you'd find something to be outraged about that, too.  SSDD.

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3 minutes ago, veritas said:

It has nothing to do with Pocahontas or her fate.  Your absurd twisting of everything into racism is indeed a spectacle.

Democrats still come across as angry that Republicans ended slavery. Funny how they omit that chapter when they want to go back in time to accuse someone of racism today.

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Just now, Ode2Joy said:

Democrats still come across as angry that Republicans ended slavery. Funny how they omit that chapter when they want to go back in time to accuse someone of racism today.

hst2 would cease to exist in this forum if he couldn't tie every action by Republicans or conservatives (or most anyone else) to racism.

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6 minutes ago, hst2 said:

You continue to prove my point by discounting Pocahontas and her sad legacy.

Hst2, welcome to the deep end.

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Posted (edited)

47 minutes ago, gonzoliberal said:

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

No, it doesn't fit the definition of racism.  

How are women not equal here today?

Edited by Smokey 1

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Posted (edited)

It's Trolls, so they wouldn't do it if they didn't think it was.

I'm surprised it's allowed here (worse, with "Land 'O Lakes" slur), considering how hard the crackdown is if you say anything negative about white people here. I guess we've found the one nationality you can slur freely on this board.

Edited by Calamari

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She is not an American Indian so it's offensive.

She is not a male American Indian so it's offensive to male American Indians.

 

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Posted (edited)

Of course it's racist. Is blackface racist?

I say not one in a hundred of the people who do this could tell you who Pocahontas was, if you put a gun to their head.

Edited by ms maggie

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2 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Of course it's racist. Is blackface racist?

I say not one in a hundred of the people who do this could tell you who Pocahontas was, if you put a gun to their head.

Warren may be disrespectful of Native Americans but it isn't racist by definition.  

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2 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

Warren may be disrespectful of Native Americans but it isn't racist by definition.  

Maybe not racist but she used it to her advantage .....

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1 hour ago, gonzoliberal said:

Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

What about a Redskins uniform .....

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Posted (edited)

1 minute ago, stevez51 said:

Maybe not racist but she used it to her advantage .....

Of course.  I guess the woman advantage wasn't enough for her.. 

Edited by Smokey 1

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