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Is showing Elizabeth Warren in a 'Native American' headress racist?

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10 minutes ago, Papi said:

Is that logical explanation? If indeed that was her intent, listing herself as a minority on the roster of a professional organization is a fairly roundabout way of doing so. There are plenty of ways to contact organizations of Native Americans, and just about any other ethnic group for that matter. If I wanted to investigate the German and Slovak lineage that I heard about via my parents and grandparents I could seek them out in ways other than identifying myself as a "German American " under "other" when I was part of a national professional organization. 

Being of one party or another does not make a liar. Trump is clearly a liar, which I freely admit. He was one back when he called himself a Democrat, and is still one now that he calls himself a Republican.  He could declare himself to be an independent, and he would still be the same liar. :P

And I haven't called Warren a liar. What I have said was that in my opinion listing herself as a minority in her national association based soley on family hearsay seems pretty weak, very likely had a motivation other than meeting other like people, and appears to be dishonest. That others do not share that opinion is understood, and is fine. 

She did it to curry favor among those who tout their connection to one or another of the left's designated victim groups.  That's all it's about.

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1 minute ago, veritas said:

She did it to curry favor among those who tout their connection to one or another of the left's designated victim groups.  That's all it's about.

Is that what she told you?

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16 minutes ago, gonzoliberal said:

Teh betaverse, who will use anything to disrespect a Democratic woman Senator.

...which, of course, is their version of 'political porn'.

Why does that avatar or photo upset you so ..???

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Just now, FatBoy said:

Is that what she told you?

No, that's what I deduced from knowing how libs think.  Why did Rachel Dolezal pretend to be black?

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1 minute ago, stevez51 said:

Why does that avatar or photo upset you so ..???

Because without aggrievement, they have no purpose in life.  If the world were perfect, the modern liberal would vanish.

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2 minutes ago, veritas said:

No, that's what I deduced from knowing how libs think.  Why did Rachel Dolezal pretend to be black?

Job ........

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Just now, veritas said:

No, that's what I deduced from knowing how libs think.  Why did Rachel Dolezal pretend to be black?

In other words, you just made it up. 

I don't know why Rachel D. pretended to be black. 

Why to you pretend to know Warrens motivation? 

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On 7/16/2017 at 10:41 AM, gonzoliberal said:

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

Perhaps they are. Probably in fact. Are images of shirtless Trump and Putin sharing a horse ride homophobic?

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24 minutes ago, Papi said:

Is that logical explanation? If indeed that was her intent, listing herself as a minority on the roster of a professional organization is a fairly roundabout way of doing so. There are plenty of ways to contact organizations of Native Americans, and just about any other ethnic group for that matter. If I wanted to investigate the German and Slovak lineage that I heard about via my parents and grandparents I could seek them out in ways other than identifying myself as a "German American " under "other" when I was part of a national professional organization. 

Being of one party or another does not make a liar. Trump is clearly a liar, which I freely admit. He was one back when he called himself a Democrat, and is still one now that he calls himself a Republican.  He could declare himself to be an independent, and he would still be the same liar. :P

And I haven't called Warren a liar. What I have said was that in my opinion listing herself as a minority in her national association based soley on family hearsay seems pretty weak, very likely had a motivation other than meeting other like people, and appears to be dishonest. That others do not share that opinion is understood, and is fine. 

Yeah, but all your left with is your own idle speculation which doesn't reveal anything except your own personal bias. 

No one criticizes Marco Rubio for saying his parents were refugees.

 

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1 minute ago, hst2 said:

Yeah, but all your left with is your own idle speculation which doesn't reveal anything except your own personal bias. 

In case you missed it, I said it was my opinion. And you are certainly not one to be complaining about another poster having a personal bias - based on your posting history. :rolleyes:

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6 minutes ago, Rael said:

Perhaps they are. Probably in fact. Are images of shirtless Trump and Putin sharing a horse ride homophobic?

Not according to the poster who has it.

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11 minutes ago, Papi said:

In case you missed it, I said it was my opinion. And you are certainly not one to be complaining about another poster having a personal bias - based on your posting history. :rolleyes:

A baseless, biased opinion. One I'm betting you don't hold with regard to Rubio.

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20 minutes ago, Rael said:

Perhaps they are. Probably in fact. Are images of shirtless Trump and Putin sharing a horse ride homophobic?

That is an interesting point. It does, at one level, disparage homosexuality. However, unlike Warren, who has claimed she is Indian, Trump has not said he is gay. So it is more a dig at Trump, not for what he is, but for what he claims he isn't  - a close friend of Putin.

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21 minutes ago, FatBoy said:

In other words, you just made it up. 

I don't know why Rachel D. pretended to be black. 

Why to you pretend to know Warrens motivation? 

I'm not pretending.  It's my considered opinion based on decades of watching liberals and knowing how their minds work.  Libs identify closely with minority groups, whom they all consider to be victims, regardless of when the victimization happened.  Therefore, she piped up about being part Cherokee as if that would somehow be relevant to anyone, Cherokees least of all.  

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Just now, hst2 said:

That is an interesting point. It does, at one level, disparage homosexuality. However, unlike Warren, who has claimed she is Indian, Trump has not said he is gay. So it is more a dig at Trump, not for what he is, but for what he claims he isn't  - a close friend of Putin.

Right, that's a dig at Trump but the Warren picture is a dig at Indians.  How convenient for you.

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1 minute ago, hst2 said:

That is an interesting point. It does, at one level, disparage homosexuality. However, unlike Warren, who has claimed she is Indian, Trump has not said he is gay. So it is more a dig at Trump, not for what he is, but for what he claims he isn't  - a close friend of Putin.

Isn't showing someone portrayed as gay who is not gay even more of a slur than someone who claims to be Native American as Native American? To my mind it is more of a slur to call someone gay who isn't as it implies that gayness is bad or inferior. 

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3 minutes ago, hst2 said:

A baseless, biased opinion. One I'm betting you don't hold with regard to Rubio.

Baseless in you opinion - and yes it is my bias. Isn't that what an opinion represents? 

Rubio has proven himself to be an opportunistic empty suit, in my opinion. But if you are speaking about his Cuban heritage, I don't think that has ever been in question. His efforts to use it for advantage have not been all that successful (in his personal life). As a politician from Florida, perhaps more so, given the opportunity to appeal to Hispanic voters who might vote based on that common link. 

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7 minutes ago, veritas said:

I'm not pretending.  It's my considered opinion based on decades of watching liberals and knowing how their minds work.  Libs identify closely with minority groups, whom they all consider to be victims, regardless of when the victimization happened.  Therefore, she piped up about being part Cherokee as if that would somehow be relevant to anyone, Cherokees least of all.  

In other words, you made it up. 

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1 minute ago, FatBoy said:

In other words, you made it up. 

Wow, that must be a "one size fits all answer".  Just like you made up Russian collusion.  Gee, this is fun.:lol:

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49 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Maggie, I'm going to point this out to you for the last time - because apparently you, and the author of this article don't seem to understand the concept of *race* vs *ethnicity*.  The author, and the Stanford "expert" are talking in circles, and deflecting/obfuscating to ridiculous portions. 

Of course DNA cannot prove she is a "member of a community" as the author states.  Duh.  But it absolutely can DISPROVE that she has any Native American blood in her.  Native American, as it's been stated dozens of times already have very traceable Mongolian DNA markers.  That's simply a *fact*.  And if she's not Native American, she's NOT CHEROKEE ;)

If Warren has no traceable percentage of Mongolian DNA, she simply is NOT Native American.  Period.  End of story.  How hard is this to understand(especially for these so-called "experts" weighing in?  Unless of course, they are purposefully obfuscating and purposefully doing end-arounds because Warren is looking more and more like the next Democrat "Chosen One"...

 

 

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37 minutes ago, hst2 said:

Yeah, but all your left with is your own idle speculation which doesn't reveal anything except your own personal bias. 

No one criticizes Marco Rubio for saying his parents were refugees.

 

Were they?  If he claimed they were, and they were not, than he should be subjected to the same scorn Warren is. 

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1 minute ago, alienrace said:

Maggie, I'm going to point this out to you for the last time - because apparently you, and the author of this article don't seem to understand the concept of *race* vs *ethnicity*.  The author, and the Stanford "expert" are talking in circles, and deflecting/obfuscating to ridiculous portions. 

Of course DNA cannot prove she is a "member of a community" as the author states.  Duh.  But it absolutely can DISPROVE that she has any Native American blood in her.  Native American, as it's been stated dozens of times already have very traceable Mongolian DNA markers.  That's simply a *fact*.  And if she's not Native American, she's NOT CHEROKEE ;)

If Warren has no traceable percentage of Mongolian DNA, she simply is NOT Native American.  Period.  End of story.  How hard is this to understand(especially for these so-called "experts" weighing in?  Unless of course, they are purposefully obfuscating and purposefully doing end-arounds because Warren is looking more and more like the next Democrat "Chosen One"...

 

 

Exactly.  You said in more detail what I already said.  If she's something other than Native American in something close to 100%, then the case is closed. It isn't necessary to show anything else.

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4 minutes ago, veritas said:

Wow, that must be a "one size fits all answer".  Just like you made up Russian collusion.  Gee, this is fun.:lol:

I wouldn't say that. There is an on going investigation with evidence linked to the Russian collusion charged.

That is much different from you making up things about Warren. That's a clever dodge though. 

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1 minute ago, veritas said:

Exactly.  You said in more detail what I already said.  If she's something other than Native American in something close to 100%, then the case is closed. It isn't necessary to show anything else.

Yup, and I'd be willing to believe her if her test showed any significant percentage of Mongolian DNA markers, even though that could mean that is was Chinese, Korean, or from some other Asian group. 

However, in the absence of it, one can safely, with 100% certainty rule out her being Native American, as their DNA has been pointed out many times to be predominantly Mongolian. 

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25 minutes ago, veritas said:

Right, that's a dig at Trump but the Warren picture is a dig at Indians.  How convenient for you.

A specific Indian.

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