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Is showing Elizabeth Warren in a 'Native American' headress racist?

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2 minutes ago, mrsmlh said:

Years ago my sisters and I walked sections of the Trail of Tears - heartbreaking to say the least.

Wow....over the months I have learned a lot about you and your travels. Kudos!

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2 hours ago, gonzoliberal said:

Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

Goofy Elizabeth squawking from Martha's Vineyard...Kamala Harris tricking for the Dem oligarch bundlers in The Hamptons the same weekend.....equality does seem a long way off.

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4 minutes ago, RileyMartin said:

Goofy Elizabeth squawking from Martha's Vineyard...Kamala Harris tricking for the Dem oligarch bundlers in The Hamptons the same weekend.....equality does seem a long way off.

"Liz Warren sends panicked email over Kid Rock Senate bid: ‘We all thought Donald Trump was joking’"

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/07/16/liz-warren-sends-panicked-email-over-kid-rock-senate-bid-we-all-thought-donald-trump-was-joking/

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29 minutes ago, EgyptKang said:

It's interesting to note that the majority of the diseases especially sexually transmitted weren't present in America until Europeans arrived.

Although syphilis is thought to have traveled the other way.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/case-closed-columbus/

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In 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue, but when he returned from 'cross the seas, did he bring with him a new disease?

New skeletal evidence suggests Columbus and his crew not only introduced the Old World to the New World, but brought back syphilis as well, researchers say.

Syphilis is caused by Treponema pallidum bacteria, and is usually curable nowadays with antibiotics. Untreated, it can damage the heart, brain, eyes and bones; it can also be fatal.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

You sound like the ads on TV.....I thought I was German... I used to wear a Lederhosen ... then I had the DNA test....now I wear a kilt.

Question: Would you mind telling me how much it costs for the test?

 

Don't know the cost.  Her friend gave it to her as a gift.

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57 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

Geez, I hope you're joking about the casinos. 

Reservations were considered reparations for native Americans, partly due to their status as "defeated nations"-yes I know how that worked out. Nonetheless, being exempt from taxes, casinos were a logical fit. So yes, at least legally casinos are reparations.

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15 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

Wow....over the months I have learned a lot about you and your travels. Kudos!

I have a fantastic sister.  After our parents died, my sister wanted to make sure that we stayed close, so she fully paid for the 3 of us sisters to go on vacations together.  Don't think we will be doing it any more though as our oldest sisters health in failing. 

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1 hour ago, Guido2 said:

Line one.....answer..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery_debate_in_the_United_States

Also let us not forget; welfare, medicaid, food stamps, supplemented or free housing, preferential hiring practices, preferential acceptance to colleges (called quotas)   and so on. And yah Ms. I get that non-blacks benefited also....but proportionally and percentage wise.....they won on that one.

Oh and after the Civil War.....they were offered tickets back to Africa....few takers.

Were the American Indians given their land back....ahhh nope....and they are hustled off there 'so called territory' to make way for oil pipelines.  Sorry .... the casino thing ....while good.....is a red herring and one of the few perks that they got vs blacks.

OH and I almost forgot.....the Native American Indian was pretty much getting screwed the minute the first European settlers set foot on this continent. Lets see....Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492.

According to this.....slaves were not brought in till 1600 and they were Caribbean initially.... not African.

You can read the rest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_United_States

While I think it sucks that black slaves were brought over (and not without the help of African Warlords that sold off defeated tribes to white traders) . I think the Native Americans have a lot more 'owed' to them.

IMHO

Welfare is reparation? Are you serious? The eligibility requirements are pretty clear. None are: ancestors were slaves. What rot.

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2 hours ago, veritas said:

Yet, it is not Pocahontas but Warren whom Trump is mocking.  You leftists just don't get it at all.

What does he call her? It's caricature. One squaw the same as another. Idiot.

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7 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Welfare is reparation? Are you serious? The eligibility requirements are pretty clear. None are: ancestors were slaves. What rot.

Not in the purest sense of the terms. So throw out welfare....and the rest? Seems to be pretty much focused on black needs.

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33 minutes ago, Dr Johnny Fever said:

Native americans were subjected to genocide as official government policy as well. Blacks never experienced genocide.

Blacks weren't subject to genocide because that would have been economically unwise. Imagine slaveholders didn't murder their mules for the same reason.

Native Americans were in the way, so killing them off was easier.

American history is not pretty.

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5 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

Not in the purest sense of the terms. So throw out welfare....and the rest? Seems to be pretty much focused on black needs.

Purest sense of what terms?

You make no sense.

Columbus? 1492? Any schoolchild knows the first American settlement was in 1607.

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9 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Blacks weren't subject to genocide because that would have been economically unwise. Imagine slaveholders didn't murder their mules for the same reason.

Native Americans were in the way, so killing them off was easier.

American history is not pretty.

Thanks.....that was my point.

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14 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Purest sense of what terms?

You make no sense.

Columbus? 1492? Any schoolchild knows the first American settlement was in 1607.

I guess I am a challenge....you actually have to connect the dots without links. Shame.

Ahhhh no...... the first settlement in America as far as we know was around that time...Jamestown. Americans didn't settle their own country. Unless you count the Native Americans who were already here.

Furher IF  YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE....it was close to 100 years till Caribbean slaves were brought...Africans were later....shall I go on.

But obviously you didn't read the link I did post.

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16 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

I guess I am a challenge....you actually have to connect the dots without links. Shame.

Ahhhh no...... the first settlement in America as far as we know was around that time...Jamestown. Americans didn't settle their own country. Unless you count the Native Americans who were already here.

Furher IF  YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE....it was close to 100 years till Caribbean slaves were brought...Africans were later....shall I go on.

But obviously you didn't read the link I did post.

I don't need a wiki article to understand the history of slavery in the US.

Jamestown, yes. 1607 as I said.

And where did those Caribbean slaves come from? Norway?

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29 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

I don't need a wiki article to understand the history of slavery in the US.

Jamestown, yes. 1607 as I said.

And where did those Caribbean slaves come from? Norway?

To challenging?

That you might  understand the big picture as opposed to your slanted viewpoint.

Don't get me wrong slavery sucked. But there is a lot more to the picture than you care to accept.

But do go on.

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21 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

To challenging?

That you might  understand the big picture as opposed to your slanted viewpoint.

Don't get me wrong slavery sucked. But there is a lot more to the picture than you care to accept.

But do go on.

You mean too challenging?          

Oh of course. Your towering intellect (like amusingly thinking Europeans colonized this country in 1492, or mysteriously not realizing Caribbean slaves came from Africa) just plum befuddles me.

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4 hours ago, Smokey 1 said:

No, it doesn't fit the definition of racism.  

How are women not equal here today?

Is that a serious question?

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6 hours ago, gonzoliberal said:

Images have multiple meanings.

Are the images on the internets showing Senator Elizabeth Warren with a photoshopped 'Native American' headdress 'racist'?

Do they meet the standard definitions of the word?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism

We've dealt with this before when certain members of 'the right' used images of the Obamas as monkeys or apes.  Those images were determined to be baldly racist.

Native Americans are one of the least respected minorities in the nation.

Women, as a class, though not a minority, come close in demonstrated contempt.

With attitudes such as these, 'Equality' seems a long, long way off.

I'm sure there were some examples depicting President Obama with ape-like features.  But to be fair, the mainstream media did that with GWB for 8 years.  I doubt you can find a political cartoon where Bush is not depicted as an ape. 

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5 hours ago, veritas said:

I'll answer it.  The answer is an emphatic NO.  The picture isn't speaking about Native Americans but about Warren's silly contention. The only thing that can be predicted is your narrow, tortured view of everything through the prism of racism.

So you know all of Warren's ancestry?

You must have lots of free time....

:D

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jdsample said:

I'm sure there were some examples depicting President Obama with ape-like features.  But to be fair, the mainstream media did that with GWB for 8 years.  I doubt you can find a political cartoon where Bush is not depicted as an ape. 

Glad to help, there are lots more of Bust not depicted as an ape.  

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/178947785172025333

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/bushcartoons/ig/Bush-Cartoons/Bush-s-Mistakes.-jOf.htm

http://www.taylormarsh.com/2013/04/reagan-budget-chief-george-w-bush-bankrupting-the-nation-through-two-unfinanced-wars/

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6 hours ago, veritas said:

I'll answer it.  The answer is an emphatic NO.  The picture isn't speaking about Native Americans but about Warren's silly contention. The only thing that can be predicted is your narrow, tortured view of everything through the prism of racism.

It is not Warren's contention, it is an immature characterization by bully in chief and perpetuated by the fools that defend him.    

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