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At a weekend donor retreat attended by at least 18 elected officials, the Koch brothers warned that time is running out to push their agenda, most notably healthcare and tax reform, through Congress.One Texas-based donor warned Republican lawmakers that his “Dallas piggy bank” was now closed, until he saw legislative progress.“Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed,” said Doug Deason. “Get it done and we’ll open it back up.” 

Nonetheless, Koch officials said that the network’s midterm budget for policy and politics is between $300m and $400m.

The Senate will this week seek to pass its version of healthcare reform – at present it does not have enough Republican support to overcome blanket Democratic opposition.

“There is urgency,” said Tim Phillips, who leads Koch network’s political arm, Americans for Prosperity, at the industrialist brothers’ retreat in Colorado Springs. “We believe we have a window of about 12 months to get as much of it accomplished as possible before the 2018 elections grind policy to a halt.”...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/koch-network-piggy-banks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform

'For the people, by the people'.

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You rarely see such an example of complete irresponsiblity, and so baldly obvious. 

It's all about getting a "win". 

The ACA needs overhauling. But a quality outcome for the citizens of the country? Not even a factor. Strange.

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6 minutes ago, volperdinger said:

Indeed. After all the hearings, all the times Mitch allowed the Dems to participate in the process....

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Hell he didn't even show the bill to most of his own caucus til he wanted a vote!

Mitch thought he had the votes. He was going to ram this through on a totally partisan vote.  Never any effort to fix the existing law, which could have gotten Dem support and moderate R votes.

Now it's the Democrats' fault?

That's the thing about my way or the highway.  When it works you're a hero. When it doesn't you're the goat.

Guess it never occurred to you that the public resoundingly rejected this bill? Guess that's the Democrats' fault as well?

Gross incompetence.

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44 minutes ago, volperdinger said:

What ignorance.

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RNC asked Hillary Clinton where her health care plan is -- and Clinton responded

Clinton responded -- and included a link.

"Right here, includes radical provisions like how not to kick 23 million people off their coverage," Clinton fired back. She added with another jab, "Feel free to run with it."

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cameron said:

What ignorance.

 

 

This link doesn't provide any proposed current legislation, nothing but excerpts from Hillary's failed campaign speeches. 

As your president, I want to build on the progress we’ve made. I’ll do more to bring down health care costs for families, ease burdens on small businesses, and make sure consumers have the choices they deserve. And frankly, it is finally time for us to deal with the skyrocketing out-of-pocket health costs, and particularly runaway prescription drug prices.

Hillary, September 21, 2015

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3 hours ago, volperdinger said:

This link doesn't provide any proposed current legislation, nothing but excerpts from Hillary's failed campaign speeches. 

As your president, I want to build on the progress we’ve made. I’ll do more to bring down health care costs for families, ease burdens on small businesses, and make sure consumers have the choices they deserve. And frankly, it is finally time for us to deal with the skyrocketing out-of-pocket health costs, and particularly runaway prescription drug prices.

Hillary, September 21, 2015

The link contains numerous policy proposals addressing various aspects of healthcare.

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

The link contains numerous policy proposals addressing various aspects of healthcare.

Proposals are for campaigns. Where's the legislation from Schumer and Pelosi? There hasn't been any, because it's much easier to point fingers than it is to lift a finger. 

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30 minutes ago, volperdinger said:

Proposals are for campaigns. Where's the legislation from Schumer and Pelosi? There hasn't been any, because it's much easier to point fingers than it is to lift a finger. 

You mean like 7 years of voting to repeal Obamacare with no interest in fixing it?  Or failing completely to repeal and replace when their party is in complete power?

Democrats have a long way to go to get to that level of incompetence.  :lol:

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nothing worse then having your benefactors threaten to cut off your funding.....anyone still think Citizens United was a good decision?

I've said it before "of the corporation, by the corporation, for the corporation".....this is the new america...

it's funny watching the rwnjs twist this around to blame the party not in charge.....7 years of talk...a perfect example of BS walking....

Edited by can you hear me now!

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How the Democrats would fix obamacare

"Yet the lack of a Democratic alternative also stems from a central disagreement about whether the ACA needs a legislative fix at all. Democrats have accused the Trump administration of sabotaging the law administratively by refusing to guarantee the payment of cost-sharing subsidies to insurers and by sending mixed signals about whether it would enforce the mandate that people buy insurance or pay a tax penalty. If the administration simply implemented the law as intended, they say, Congress could stand down. “There’s a very good chance that it’s sustainable if you just do those things,” said Representative John Yarmuth of Kentucky, the top Democrat on the House Budget Committee. Murray told me she “absolutely” believed the law could stand on its own if the Trump administration implemented it properly.

Other leaders in the party, however, suggested to me the law was not quite as stable. Insurers had been pulling out of the Obamacare exchanges before the November election, and while these Democrats do not agree with Republican characterizations that the law is “collapsing,” they argue that Congress needs to act at least to stabilize the individual market. “The individual market, if you’re not buying through an employer—even if you do get a subsidy—is pretty unstable,” Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee last year, said in an interview. “I do think some legislative fixes would really send signals to the American public, as well as the stakeholders, that we’re serious about finding improvements.”

 

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2 hours ago, volperdinger said:

Proposals are for campaigns. Where's the legislation from Schumer and Pelosi? There hasn't been any, because it's much easier to point fingers than it is to lift a finger. 

The Republicans lost the moderates in their own party. You seriously think the Dems would propose ANYTHING the Rs would accept?  Don't be daft.

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They just want to erase the legacy of President Obama without care for the American people.

I wonder if this is why Scalise was shot.

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1 hour ago, ms maggie said:

The Republicans lost the moderates in their own party. You seriously think the Dems would propose ANYTHING the Rs would accept?  Don't be daft.

Not sure that poster has a choice.  I think daft is default

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10 hours ago, ms maggie said:

You rarely see such an example of complete irresponsiblity, and so baldly obvious. 

It's all about getting a "win". 

The ACA needs overhauling. But a quality outcome for the citizens of the country? Not even a factor. Strange.

If it needs overhauling, how about knocking it down and starting over. Right now Democrats are in "save Barack's legacy" mode. Superficial crap like that is a big impediment for Democrats who  have to recognize that we need a better policy.

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McConnell made his own bed with his scorched earth tactics against Garland. Dems have zero reason to work with him. They are the only ones saving our democracy right now. 

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7 minutes ago, Heisenberg said:

McConnell made his own bed with his scorched earth tactics against Garland. Dems have zero reason to work with him. They are the only ones saving our democracy right now. 

Keeping left-wing activist Garland away from the SCOTUS is one of the few thing Republicans have done right. Regardless Democrats aren't exactly in the drivers seat. John Tester, Heidi Heitkamp, Joe Donnelly and Claire McCaskill will soon have to separate from their party some in advance of the 2018 elections. They may be loyal to Obama, but the citizens of their respective states don't share their admiration of the man. In fairness McCaskill would have been gone already had the GOP not nominated such a nut to run against her in 2012.  

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26 minutes ago, Manny said:

Keeping left-wing activist Garland away from the SCOTUS is one of the few thing Republicans have done right. Regardless Democrats aren't exactly in the drivers seat. John Tester, Heidi Heitkamp, Joe Donnelly and Claire McCaskill will soon have to separate from their party some in advance of the 2018 elections. They may be loyal to Obama, but the citizens of their respective states don't share their admiration of the man. In fairness McCaskill would have been gone already had the GOP not nominated such a nut to run against her in 2012.  

She beat Akin by 15 points. It was more than just the fact her opponent was a joke, she's a savvy politician and I think it will be harder for Republicans to unseat her than they think. Also consider that no incumbent senator from the opposition party has lost a re-election bid in a midterm since 2002. Heitkamp and Tester are very popular in their own states and will be hard to unseat. Dems overall should get a boost from a toxic incumbent President. Donnelly is the one senator I really think has a good shot at losing. And maybe Baldwin in Wisconsin if the GOP suppresses enough votes. But the point is - incumbents from the party out of power almost never lose in the midterms.  

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40 minutes ago, Manny said:

Keeping left-wing activist Garland away from the SCOTUS is one of the few thing Republicans have done right. Regardless Democrats aren't exactly in the drivers seat. John Tester, Heidi Heitkamp, Joe Donnelly and Claire McCaskill will soon have to separate from their party some in advance of the 2018 elections. They may be loyal to Obama, but the citizens of their respective states don't share their admiration of the man. In fairness McCaskill would have been gone already had the GOP not nominated such a nut to run against her in 2012.  

McConnell is reaping the consequences of his scorched earth tactics against Garland in the fall whether alt-right fascists like yourself approve or not. Dems have no motivation to work with McConnell on anything now, especially not something that had almost no support from the public like Trumpcare. 

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11 hours ago, ms maggie said:

You rarely see such an example of complete irresponsiblity, and so baldly obvious. 

It's all about getting a "win". 

The ACA needs overhauling. But a quality outcome for the citizens of the country? Not even a factor. Strange.

Not at all. We are just allowed to exist to pretend our votes count and to be taxed to pay for the 'toys' that the anointed want.

Didn't you get the memo?

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8 hours ago, ms maggie said:

Indeed. After all the hearings, all the times Mitch allowed the Dems to participate in the process....

?

Hell he didn't even show the bill to most of his own caucus til he wanted a vote!

Mitch thought he had the votes. He was going to ram this through on a totally partisan vote.  Never any effort to fix the existing law, which could have gotten Dem support and moderate R votes.

Now it's the Democrats' fault?

That's the thing about my way or the highway.  When it works you're a hero. When it doesn't you're the goat.

Guess it never occurred to you that the public resoundingly rejected this bill? Guess that's the Democrats' fault as well?

Gross incompetence.

Totally agree.

Whether some want to agree or not. Trumpcare was pretty much in  a locked box for all the Dems and most of the GOP.

Saying the Dems are to blame for not providing input or helping is BS.

If someone slams an locks a door in your face it is tough to help them do repairs in your home.

A simply analogy for the morons out their that insist that the Dems are to blame.

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1 hour ago, banner1124 said:

Not sure that poster has a choice.  I think daft is default

This is your idea of an adult response?

You used to be respected as a poster-now you're just a troll.

Pretty sad.

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11 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

Not at all. We are just allowed to exist to pretend our votes count and to be taxed to pay for the 'toys' that the anointed want.

Didn't you get the memo?

You're glass half empty, right?  ;)

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