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California Islamic Center Under Fire Over Sermon Calling For Annihilation Of Jews; Imam apologizes

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http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2017/07/25/davis-islamic-center-under-fire-after-sermon-translation-surfaces-online/

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DAVIS (CBS13) — The Islamic Center of Davis is under fire after a translation of a sermon posted online said it called for the annihilation of Jews.

The Davis Imam’s two-hour long sermon is mostly in Arabic. According to a translation from the Middle East Media Research Institute, Ammar Shahin calls for the annihilation of Jews, and asks his higher power to liberate the Al Asqa mosque from their filth.

…“He spelled out what he wishes for every Muslim who follows the Quran and the Hadith to follow what the Hadith says which is …find the Jews hiding behind trees and stones and kill them,” said Sorele Brownstein.

“To me, it’s clear this is direct incitement,” said Shmary Brownstein.

Rabbi Shmary Brownstein and his wife Sorele are the leaders of the Chabad in Davis. They say they’ve been on guard since the video was posted online. Their family is now being harassed by drivers passing by their home, which is also a house of worship.

“Cars driving by screaming ‘eff you!’,” said Rabbi Mendy Cohen of Chabad in Sacramento.

 

 

Rabbi Brownstein is right.  The whole “It was simply misconstrued!” ruse doesn’t fly.  The REAL discussion is whether or not those views are the views of mainstream Islam or of a fringe element.

The Islamic Center of Davis can hardly be called a fringe group. 

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Is law enforcement investigating this? If a white church pastor put a sermon online saying that black people should be killed there would be all kinds of uproar and legal challenges (and rightfully so). So why should an Imam be able to post something like this and not be investigated? Are we afraid of insulting the "religion of peace"? SMH 

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Misconstrued, taken out of context, mistranslated.

Fine, then tell us how to properly construe calls for the annihilation of Jews, put it in the correct context, tell us about the translator; how many translations of Arabic has he/she done in the past, what is his/her past record of accuracy. 

The ICD doesn't want to get into the details because they know there has been no mistake made here. 

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I would prefer a translation from someone outside of the Middle East Media Research Institute.

"Critics charge that despite portraying itself as neutral,[5] it aims to portray the Arab

 

 

 and Muslim world in a negative light through the production and dissemination of incomplete translations and by selectively translating views of extremists while deemphasizing or ignoring mainstream opinions.[6]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute

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36 minutes ago, Papi said:

Is law enforcement investigating this? If a white church pastor put a sermon online saying that black people should be killed there would be all kinds of uproar and legal challenges (and rightfully so). So why should an Imam be able to post something like this and not be investigated? Are we afraid of insulting the "religion of peace"? SMH 

I hope it's being investigated.  If there's a problem with the way this story has been reported, than that would fall on the local CBS affiliate that reported it. 

This is not like one of those stories that some find and post on here about something some fringe member of a religious group in some backwater town says or does that that shows up as "Christian" or "Trump supporter" thread headline started by the usual seekers of the inflammatory.   

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Statement of the Islamic Center of Davis

http://www.davismasjid.org

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On July 21st, 2017, Imam Ammar Shahin gave a sermon at the ICD. The sermon was about the theological virtues of one of Islam’s holiest sites, Al-Aqsa Mosque. He also addressed the recent horrific events including the illegal closure, occupation, and attacks against Al-Aqsa Mosque, in addition to the killing and injuring of Muslim worshipers, including the wounding of the Imam of Al-Aqsa Mosque, and the prevention of worship and the call to prayer at the Mosque. Specifically, the Imam was referring to individuals that are contributing to this oppression.

Imam Shahin and the ICD reject any attempt to blame all Jews for Israel’s policies just like we reject the attempts to blame all Muslims for the acts of fringe groups. In reality, Jews around the world are on the front lines speaking out and protesting Israel's repressive policies against Palestinians.

MEMRI, an extremist agenda driven organization that supports Israel's occupation of Palestinian land, and other Islamophobic news organizations, accused Imam Shahin of anti-Semitism, quoting edited, mistranslated, passages of the sermon out of context.

 

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12 minutes ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

If true, deport the Imam.

That assumes he's deportable, i.e., not a U.S. citizen. 

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34 minutes ago, Baltimatt said:

That assumes he's deportable, i.e., not a U.S. citizen. 

I read he's from Egypt, been here since '99.

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It appears that mentioning ode2joy's penchant for posting anti-Islamic threads is taboo and such posts will be sanitised, presumably at the op's request. <_<

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1 hour ago, Baltimatt said:

Statement of the Islamic Center of Davis

http://www.davismasjid.org

 

Seems to me that DHS should have folks who can translate Arabic and see exactly what was in the sermon, in an unbiased way. In my opinion they should be on it already. If indeed there was no "threat" then fine, but taking the word of a biased tranlation or the Islamic Center without outside verification of the actual language would be a mistake. 

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2 hours ago, WKDWZD said:

It appears that mentioning ode2joy's penchant for posting anti-Islamic threads is taboo and such posts will be sanitised, presumably at the op's request. <_<

No, that's not it.

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2 hours ago, WKDWZD said:

It appears that mentioning ode2joy's penchant for posting anti-Islamic threads is taboo and such posts will be sanitised, presumably at the op's request. <_<

What you do now .......

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2 hours ago, Papi said:

Seems to me that DHS should have folks who can translate Arabic and see exactly what was in the sermon, in an unbiased way. In my opinion they should be on it already. If indeed there was no "threat" then fine, but taking the word of a biased tranlation or the Islamic Center without outside verification of the actual language would be a mistake. 

Yes, I would like to see an outside verification of the actual language too before I go off saying deport the Imam or believe the words of either group presented here.

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35 minutes ago, stevez51 said:

What you do now .......

:huh: Is that a question, an opinion, a statement, or just mumbo jumbo? :huh:

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4 hours ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

If true, deport the Imam.

Freedom of speech?

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42 minutes ago, hst2 said:

Freedom of speech?

I'm all about free speech, but when does hate speech go too far?  Should people only care if a follower shoots up a synagogue?  It's a fine line.

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2 hours ago, hst2 said:

Freedom of speech?

I don't think the kinds of things he is alleged to have said are covered. Could be the mosque is right and he was mistranslated or misunderstood or whatever. But if not, back to Egypt with him.

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7 hours ago, mrsmlh said:

Yes, I would like to see an outside verification of the actual language too before I go off saying deport the Imam or believe the words of either group presented here.

This BS between the Jews/Muslims/Christians has been going on for centuries. 

The Flying Spaghetti Monster is amused.  

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Posted (edited)

12 hours ago, WKDWZD said:

:huh: Is that a question, an opinion, a statement, or just mumbo jumbo? :huh:

Sorry, what DO you do now ..??

Or, what did you do ..???

Edited by stevez51

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1 hour ago, stevez51 said:

Sorry, what DO you do now ..??

Or, what did you do ..???

Okay, now we know that it is a question, to what does it refer?

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Just now, WKDWZD said:

Okay, now we know that it is a question, to what does it refer?

Your complaint to Matt about a deleted post.

You know, like asking a little kid, what you do now ......

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2 minutes ago, stevez51 said:

Your complaint to Matt about a deleted post.

You know, like asking a little kid, what you do now ......

Oh, that ... Nothing at all.

Matt deleted it (presumably because I used the word jeebus in it) and He was right to do so, it breached the TOS, so it went.

I'll take it on the chin, Matt usually gets them right.

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17 hours ago, WKDWZD said:

It appears that mentioning ode2joy's penchant for posting anti-Islamic threads is taboo and such posts will be sanitised, presumably at the op's request. <_<

We know you would prefer censorship of these type of stories.

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3 minutes ago, Manny said:

We know you would prefer censorship of these type of stories.

"We?" Who is this 'we', are you not brave enough to speak for yourself?

I don't believe in censorship of any form,  but I will call out hate speech, racism, xenophobia and prejudice when I see it, particularly when a poster starts endless amounts of threads about little else but.

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