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U.S. Army refuses to take Confederate general names off Fort Hamilton streets

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The U.S. Army has shot down demands to rebrand two Brooklyn streets that bear the names of famous Confederate generals at the city’s only active military post.

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The streets at Fort Hamilton — General Lee Ave. and Stonewall Jackson Drive — honor fighters who were “an inextricable part of our military history,” the Army wrote in a rejection letter to the New York Congressmembers who had demanded the change.

“After over a century, any effort to rename memorializations on Fort Hamilton would be controversial and divisive,” Deputy Assistant Chief of Staff Diane Randon wrote to Brooklyn Congresswoman Yvette Clarke, who received the letter over the weekend. “This is contrary to the Nation’s original intent in naming these streets, which was the spirit of reconciliation,” Randon said.

Fort Hamilton, as an active military base, is Army property — and outside the reach of city and state laws.  The Army has not made any effort to scrub any other Confederate names from its locations. Ten military bases, including Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Hood in Texas, are named after Confederate officers. All 10 bases are in former Confederate states.

 

Unlike various states and cities, has any Federal entity sanitized Confederate history from their property?

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"the spirit of reconciliation..."

"The reconciliation movement was an effort to obscure the legacy of emancipation and black participation in the war in favor of remembering the conflict as a fight between white Americans, Northern and Southern, which ultimately proved the honor and dignity of both sides.

Reconciliation downplayed the violence of battle, the failure to secure civil rights for former slaves, the centrality of slavery to the conflict, and the opposition to the war in both the Union and the Confederacy. White veterans of both sides embraced this movement in the 1880s and 1890s, after the responsibility of enforcing Reconstruction had been turned over to the Southern state governments. Reconciliation hid the true nature and meaning of the war for many Americans for decades to come, at the cost of creating a narrative of the war that almost eliminated the emancipationist legacy that African American citizens valued."

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Where are the monuments for British Generals? Aren't they part of our military history too? 

Edited by soulflower

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22 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Where are the monuments for British Generals? Aren't they part of our military history too? 

What British generals were graduates of West Point and US veterans of the Mexican war?

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Who's buried in Grants tomb?

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What color is the White House?

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11 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

What British generals were graduates of West Point and US veterans of the Mexican war?

Doesn't matter. Once you take up arms against your own government, you shouldn't be honored by that government. It's bizarre and I can't think of another country that honors the losing side of their civil war...

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11 minutes ago, FatBoy said:

Who's buried in Grants tomb?

 

10 minutes ago, FatBoy said:

What color is the White House?

You doing a Marx Brothers bit ..???

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1 hour ago, Bluto said:

The U.S. Army has shot down demands to rebrand two Brooklyn streets that bear the names of famous Confederate generals at the city’s only active military post.

Unlike various states and cities, has any Federal entity sanitized Confederate history from their property?

Good luck with that. 

Is the government going to remove all of the confederate memorials at gettysburg NATIONAL military park or any of the hundreds of battle sites?

I don't think so.

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1 minute ago, Dr Johnny Fever said:

Good luck with that. 

Is the government going to remove all of the confederate memorials at gettysburg NATIONAL military park or any of the hundreds of battle sites?

I don't think so.

Maybe hst2 can cover them with sheets .......

Its the way he see's them.

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11 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Doesn't matter. Once you take up arms against your own government, you shouldn't be honored by that government. It's bizarre and I can't think of another country that honors the losing side of their civil war...

There is a town in England that honors American Revolutionary patriot Thomas Paine.

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Even though Thomas Paine was once considered a traitor who spurred the American colonies to revolt, his hometown, Thetford, has now devoted itself to celebrating the life and writings of one of the most influential leaders of the American and French Revolutions. Paine, who was perhaps best known in America for helping incite revolt with his pamphlet "Common Sense," lived in Thetford, where he began developing many of his political views, until the age of 19.

Visitors can walk the trail with the aid of a free Paine trail leaflet; the trail passes by Paine's birthplace, old school, church and the library in which the Thomas Paine Collection is housed.

A statue of Paine stands in the center of town, and a museum, which is undergoing a refurbishment, will reopen later this year with a short film on Paine's life along with a collection of artifacts. 

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/12/travel/12journey.html

http://www.museums.norfolk.gov.uk/Visit_Us/Ancient_House/Thomas_Paine/index.htm

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4 minutes ago, Bluto said:

A town or private organization honoring someone who opposed the government is not the same as the UK government or US government honoring someone or a group who opposed it. 

 

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28 minutes ago, stevez51 said:

Maybe hst2 can cover them with sheets .......

Its the way he see's them.

Excellent idea.....

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40 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Doesn't matter. Once you take up arms against your own government, you shouldn't be honored by that government. It's bizarre and I can't think of another country that honors the losing side of their civil war...

It was a matter of reconciliation.  You have a problem with that?

Its remarkable that the men who fought against each other reconciled their differences but 150 years later we have people who have more hatred for long gone dead people then those who actually fought against each other.  They very wisely reasoned that they had to put the war behind them if this country was to succeed as a prosperous nation.  Too bad some people in the present just don't get it. 

Edited by Smokey 1

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12 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

It was a matter of reconciliation.  You have a problem with that?

Its remarkable that the men who fought against each other reconciled their differences but 150 years later we have people who have more hatred for long gone dead people then those who actually fought against each other.  They very wisely reasoned that they had to put the war behind them if this country was to succeed as a prosperous nation.  Too bad some people in the present just don't get it. 

Well said. I'd like to add that removing all vestiges of the Confederacy isn't going to change the fact there was a civil war. 

If the States and the Cities want to do it, that is up to them. But the federal government should not turn it's back on 1 million Americans who fought in the Confederacy. 

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29 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

It was a matter of reconciliation.  You have a problem with that?

Its remarkable that the men who fought against each other reconciled their differences but 150 years later we have people who have more hatred for long gone dead people then those who actually fought against each other.  They very wisely reasoned that they had to put the war behind them if this country was to succeed as a prosperous nation.  Too bad some people in the present just don't get it. 

The reconciliation applied to people alive during that time. 

150 years later who is being reconciled? 

Edited by soulflower

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8 minutes ago, FatBoy said:

Well said. I'd like to add that removing all vestiges of the Confederacy isn't going to change the fact there was a civil war. 

If the States and the Cities want to do it, that is up to them. But the federal government should not turn it's back on 1 million Americans who fought in the Confederacy.

They're all dead. I don't think they care

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2 minutes ago, soulflower said:

They're all dead. I don't think they care

Their descendants care.

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30 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

It was a matter of reconciliation.  You have a problem with that?

Its remarkable that the men who fought against each other reconciled their differences but 150 years later we have people who have more hatred for long gone dead people then those who actually fought against each other.  They very wisely reasoned that they had to put the war behind them if this country was to succeed as a prosperous nation.  Too bad some people in the present just don't get it. 

The whites in the south didn't exactly reconcile their differences with the freed slaves.

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1 minute ago, soulflower said:

They're all dead. I don't think they care

Then why do we have the Vietnam Wall Memorial and the USS Arizona Memorial?

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34 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

It was a matter of reconciliation.  You have a problem with that?

Its remarkable that the men who fought against each other reconciled their differences but 150 years later we have people who have more hatred for long gone dead people then those who actually fought against each other.  They very wisely reasoned that they had to put the war behind them if this country was to succeed as a prosperous nation.  Too bad some people in the present just don't get it. 

So Jim Crow was "reconciliation"? Interesting.

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1 minute ago, FatBoy said:

Then why do we have the Vietnam Wall Memorial and the USS Arizona Memorial?

We don't honor the Japanese or the N Vietnamese with memorials.

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Just now, ms maggie said:

So Jim Crow was "reconciliation"? Interesting.

Where did I say that? 

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Just now, ms maggie said:

We don't honor the Japanese or the N Vietnamese with memorials.

Were they fellow Americans?

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1 minute ago, ms maggie said:

We don't honor the Japanese or the N Vietnamese with memorials.

The Confederates were Americans. 

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