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Confederate Monument Megathread

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This thread is for Confederate Monument news (there's more than a few from the last few days):

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HELENA, Mont. (AP) — Montana’s capital city on Friday removed a memorial to Confederate soldiers that has been in a public park since 1916 after officials deemed it a threat to public safety in light of last weekend’s violence in Charlottesville, Virginia.

A small group of people opposing the fountain’s removal in Helena had stood watch through the night. Police said two people were arrested, but later released, after defying orders to leave the site while crews began dismantling the granite fountain donated to the city more than a century ago by the United Daughters of the Confederacy.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/ap_news/montana/city-of-helena-begins-removing-confederate-memorial/article_9ef9a531-efd1-5759-9ee1-73fc694a9513.html

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The University of Texas' abrupt decision to remove Confederate statues in the middle of the night after the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, raises the question of whether other public universities, cities and towns across the state will follow its lead.

Texas wasn't the first prominent school to take down such monuments — Duke University removed a damaged Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee statue Saturday — but its stature as one of the country's largest public universities could influence others. And in a state that has the most Confederate symbols except for Virginia, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, a movement to get similar symbols removed could gain momentum.

University of Texas President Greg Fenves, who said such monuments have become "symbols of modern white supremacy and neo-Nazism," cited the Charlottesville violence as a catalyst for his Sunday night order to move statues of Lee, Confederate Gen. Albert Sydney Johnston and Confederate Postmaster John H. Reagan from a main area of the Austin campus to a history museum. Crews had them down in just a few hours and also removed a statue of former Gov. James Stephen Hogg, whose likeness will be placed in another spot on campus.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/university-texas-removes-confederate-statues-49329383

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Federal authorities said Monday that a Houston man was charged with attempting to bomb a statue in that city honoring a Confederate military figure.

The charges, filed Sunday and made public Monday, come as officials across the country have grappled with how to handle their Confederate monuments, an issue that has taken on a newfound urgency since violence erupted in Charlottesville this month.

Authorities said Andrew Schneck, 25, was found by a Houston Park Ranger late Saturday night with materials capable of creating “a viable explosive device.” An attorney for Schneck said the same man had also been convicted in an earlier explosives case.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/08/21/texas-man-charged-with-trying-to-bomb-a-confederate-statue-in-houston/?utm_term=.20f399d2180d

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A monument honoring dead Confederate soldiers is no longer welcome at West Palm Beach’s Woodlawn Cemetery, the city said Monday.

The 1941 memorial — believed by local historians to be the last Confederate statue in Palm Beach County — will be removed from public display, said Mayor Jeri Muoio.

“I believe strongly they are symbols of hate and bigotry, and we don't want that here in our city,” Muoio said

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It is owned by the United Daughters of the Confederacy, a key organizer behind the majority of the Confederate monuments across the country.

Muoio said the city’s attorney has been trying to get the group to remove the monument from the cemetery, which is public property.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/palm-beach/fl-reg-confederate-monument-cemetery-20170821-story.html

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BRANDENBURG, Ky. — The leaders in this small town said they wanted history to be preserved, not erased, so they piled into a car last summer for what they considered an important mission: to save a Confederate monument from possible destruction. The monument had stood in Louisville for 121 years — 70 feet tall, more than 100 tons of granite. But Louisville wanted it removed and called a public meeting to help determine its relocation. One speaker said the structure should be “obliterated.” Another said he would gladly help drop it into the river. And then, one by one, up to the microphone came the people from Brandenburg.

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“Anybody else who wants to throw out their statues, we’ll take those, too,” said Diane Reichle, 66, who lives a quarter-mile from the monument. “I hope we get all of them.”

Since the white supremacist gathering in Charlottesville, Brandenburg’s decision to relocate the Confederate monument has felt more charged, some residents say. In Facebook posts, people with strong opinions have returned to the matter, emboldened that they were right. Most tend to agree with the sentiments of President Trump, who received 71 percent of the vote in Meade County, which includes Brandenburg. Trump said Thursday on Twitter that the “history and culture of our great country” was being “ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments.”

“People who want these statues removed, they’re a bunch of whiny babies,” said Johnnie Hayes, 48, who was at the riverfront park last week. “If you’re offended, don’t go look at it. I didn’t like President Obama, but I didn’t go out and riot and protest.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-121-year-old-confederate-monument-was-coming-down-this-kentucky-town-put-it-back-up/2017/08/20/7a397fc6-85b0-11e7-a50f-e0d4e6ec070a_story.html?utm_term=.cd4dbb1bedea

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Why was there a Confederate monument in Montana? 

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Here is a flag one.

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Anti-Bias Task Force co-chairperson Sonia Spar said there have been sightings of the truck flying the Confederate flag across town. Other vehicles bearing Confederate flag decals have been seen on local roads as well.

https://southoldlocal.com/2017/08/21/confederate-flag-seen-truck-around-southold-draws-complaints/

:o  Oh no, trucks with Confederate flag decals!  The horrors!

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Here is one where they found Confederate flags in New York's subway.  Oh my!

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New York City’s Mass Transit Authority says it will “modify” tiles in a Manhattan subway station after complaints that the tiles resemble Confederate flags, WNYW-TV reported.

The tiles aren’t a new addition to the Times Square subway — they’ve been in place for almost 100 years, the station said.

 

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/21/nyc-subway-tiles-look-like-confederate-flags-complainers-say-so-officials-are-taking-action/

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Here's one from Minnesota where someone is complaining about people flying the Confederate flag on private property.

 

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The flag should never be flown, especially in a state that fought a war to defend the Union and put an end to slavery.The First Minnesota Regiment did not fight in the battles of Bull Run and Gettysburg so that the Confederate flag could be flown on a Lake Bemidji shoreline or driven down Paul Bunyan Drive in the back of a pickup truck. Our community is a place of freedom, love, and diversity. The Confederate flag goes against everything we stand for in Bemidji. Please take them down.

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/opinion/letters/4315230-letter-editor-no-place-confederate-flag-bemidji

I love how he says his community is a place of freedom, love and diversity while he is trying to take Constitutional rights away from some of his neighbors.  Hilarious.

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54 minutes ago, Baltimatt said:

Why was there a Confederate monument in Montana? 

Just to show they would've chosen the wrong side if they were a State at the time

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7 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

Here's one from Minnesota where someone is complaining about people flying the Confederate flag on private property.

 

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/opinion/letters/4315230-letter-editor-no-place-confederate-flag-bemidji

I love how he says his community is a place of freedom, love and diversity while he is trying to take Constitutional rights away from some of his neighbors.  Hilarious.

No. He asks them to take it down. Their choice.

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56 minutes ago, Baltimatt said:

Why was there a Confederate monument in Montana? 

The United Daughters of the Confederacy donated it. They're responsible for the bulk of them. If you think that's weird, see the link ODENTON posted where they donated the Jefferson Davis plaque to a Montreal department store building in 1957. It was removed six days ago.

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Here is a stand for freedom in Virginia. 

http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/08/confederate-flag-95-stay-landowner/

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WASHINGTON — The Confederate battle flag that flies high above Interstate 95 near Falmouth is not going anywhere despite renewed complaints, said the man who owns the land the flagpole sits on.

“The flag will stay,” Hubert Wayne Cash told WTOP Friday. “It sits on posted private land and is protected by the laws and ordinances of the state of Virginia and Stafford County.”

 

 

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3 minutes ago, bmorepunk said:

The United Daughters of the Confederacy donated it. They're responsible for the bulk of them. If you think that's weird, see the link ODENTON posted where they donated the Jefferson Davis plaque to a Montreal department store building in 1957. It was removed six days ago.

Why is that wierd?  Davis lived in that building after the war. 

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Jon Meachem:

Why Lee Should Go, and Washington Should Stay

In the ensuing chaos, President Trump spoke of the “many sides” of the debate and defended the neo-Confederate view. “I wonder,” Mr. Trump said, “is it George Washington next week, and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

To me, the answer to Mr. Trump’s question begins with a straightforward test: Was the person to whom a monument is erected on public property devoted to the American experiment in liberty and self-government? Washington and Jefferson and Andrew Jackson were. Each owned slaves; each was largely a creature of his time and place on matters of race. Yet each also believed in the transcendent significance of the nation, and each was committed to the journey toward “a more perfect Union.”

By definition, the Confederate hierarchy fails that test. Those who took up arms against the Union were explicitly attempting to stop the American odyssey. While we should judge each individual on the totality of their lives (defenders of Lee, for instance, point to his attempts to be a figure of reconciliation after the war), the forces of hate and of exclusion long ago made Confederate imagery their own. Monuments in public places of veneration to those who believed it their duty to fight the Union have no place in the Union of the 21st century — a view with which Lee himself might have agreed. “I think it wiser,” he wrote in 1866, “not to keep open the sores of war.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/opinion/why-lee-should-go-and-washington-should-stay.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

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2 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Jon Meachem:

Why Lee Should Go, and Washington Should Stay

In the ensuing chaos, President Trump spoke of the “many sides” of the debate and defended the neo-Confederate view. “I wonder,” Mr. Trump said, “is it George Washington next week, and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You know, you really have to ask yourself, where does it stop?”

To me, the answer to Mr. Trump’s question begins with a straightforward test: Was the person to whom a monument is erected on public property devoted to the American experiment in liberty and self-government? Washington and Jefferson and Andrew Jackson were. Each owned slaves; each was largely a creature of his time and place on matters of race. Yet each also believed in the transcendent significance of the nation, and each was committed to the journey toward “a more perfect Union.”

By definition, the Confederate hierarchy fails that test. Those who took up arms against the Union were explicitly attempting to stop the American odyssey. While we should judge each individual on the totality of their lives (defenders of Lee, for instance, point to his attempts to be a figure of reconciliation after the war), the forces of hate and of exclusion long ago made Confederate imagery their own. Monuments in public places of veneration to those who believed it their duty to fight the Union have no place in the Union of the 21st century — a view with which Lee himself might have agreed. “I think it wiser,” he wrote in 1866, “not to keep open the sores of war.”

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/opinion/why-lee-should-go-and-washington-should-stay.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

That is false. They didn't want to fight and they didn't want to hurt the US,they just wanted independence.  If the US respected their independence and they weren't invaded there wouldn't have been a war.

The only reason they "believed it was their duty to fight the union" is because the union was attacking them.  It was the south that was invaded. 

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

If someone writes a letter to the local newspaper asking him to take it down, are you going to accuse them of trampling on the Constitution?

Just grateful we still have some rights.  Lets see how long they last. 

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13 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

That is false. They didn't want to fight and they didn't want to hurt the US,they just wanted independence.  If the US respected their independence and they weren't invaded there wouldn't have been a war.

The only reason they "believed it was their duty to fight the union" is because the union was attacking them.  It was the south that was invaded. 

The losing side doesn't get to control the narrative. 

I'm sure the British viewed George Washington as a terrorist insurgent...

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