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Hillary continues to blame everyone but herself for 2016

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1 minute ago, banner1124 said:

Sorry, but anyone sick of infighting inside a political party doesn't really have the stomach for politics.  As long as there are political parties there will be infighting.

There was a time that both sides showed a united front - publicly at least. Those days are gone.  

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Just now, Sprightly said:

There was a time that both sides showed a united front - publicly at least. Those days are gone.  

Now THAT I can agree with.  The infighting will always exist.  It seems though that these days the folks in the parties don't have enough class to keep it behind closed doors.

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The only way a person can bounce back from braking their neck on the glass ceiling so quickly is to live in that long river in Egypt.

Whatever gets her through the night...

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1 minute ago, banner1124 said:

Sorry, but anyone sick of infighting inside a political party doesn't really have the stomach for politics.  As long as there are political parties there will be infighting.

True but after most elections the candidate who loses gracefully disappears into obscurity. Hillary seems to be fighting to stay relevant but succeeding at hurting her reputation. 

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2 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

Oh yeah... really.  Hate to break it to you, but trump is a truly awful human being.

As is Hillary.

I didn't disagree with you about Trump.

 

But I know ....

1.Im his biggest cheerleader

2. Im the biggest partisan here.

3. I always defend him.

 

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Just now, banner1124 said:

Now THAT I can agree with.  The infighting will always exist.  It seems though that these days the folks in the parties don't have enough class to keep it behind closed doors.

I liken it to our private leadership meetings. We may disagree during those meetings, and sometimes it gets a little heated, but when that door opens we are united in front of staff.

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8 minutes ago, songfourone said:

You don't believe the Russian's hacking had some skin in the game as well?

 

 

 

Unless someone has proof that votes were changed in the swing states, then ultimately no.   Those who believed the propaganda coming out from the Russians were against her to begin with.  I doubt that those leaks and fake propaganda stories really changed anyone's opinion.  

 

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4 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Either Hillary or her entourage are leaking excerpts that blame others. It's getting tired and many are sick of the infighting among Dems

People leak the sensational stuff. And likely the publisher to drive sales.

There are other excerpts that aren't as sexy:

“Every day that I was a candidate for president, I knew that millions of people were counting on me and I couldn’t bear the idea of letting them down, but I did. I couldn’t get the job done and I’ll have to live with that for the rest of my life. 

I also am tired of the infighting. Time for new blood, let go of old wounds.

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3 minutes ago, mcorioles said:

What a sad pathetic lady

That's what happens when you've been running for president for close to 30 years, only to lose to a novice.  It's no wonder she turned to the bottle and wandering in the woods of Chappaqua.  I doubt that the spirit of Eleanor Roosevelt wanted to commune with her after she lost the last time. 

I wonder if she'll offer her new book at a discount to those affected by Harvey and Irma.

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1 minute ago, mcorioles said:

As is Hillary.

I didn't disagree with you about Trump.

 

But I know ....

1.Im his biggest cheerleader

2. Im the biggest partisan here.

3. I always defend him.

 

We will have to agree to disagree.  In my mind no rational person could say she's as horrible as trump.  I must have missed her calls for violence during her campaign rallies.  I must have missed her making fun of a disabled reporter.  I must have missed her insulting and denigrating reporters to the point where they sometimes had to be escorted out of her rallies for their safety.  I must have missed a whole lotta stuff if she's as bad as trump.

Oh, and you kind of are one of his biggest cheerleaders... you are quite partisan... and you virtually always defend him even when his actions are indefensible.  Sorry if those truths hurt.

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The part about Bernie not being a "Democrat" is pretty much 100% correct.  Said it many times in response to all of the "Dem party colluded against Bernice!" griping... the guy has been an "Independent" (with a laundry list of other more specific labels) virtually his entire political career.  He joined the D party for the sole purpose of basically trying to get a "final two" nomination.  It didn't work, so he's back to being whatever it is that he is.  Can't complain about being blackballed or whatever by a party that you never REALLY wanted to be a part of in the first place.  And yes, his opposition in the primary and all of the angst he and his supporters carried after about the corruption / collusion probably did play some role in Trump's victory.  How much, who knows.

 

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2 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

We will have to agree to disagree.  In my mind no rational person could say she's as horrible as trump.  I must have missed her calls for violence during her campaign rallies.  I must have missed her making fun of a disabled reporter.  I must have missed her insulting and denigrating reporters to the point where they sometimes had to be escorted out of her rallies for their safety.  I must have missed a whole lotta stuff if she's as bad as trump.

Oh, and you kind of are one of his biggest cheerleaders... you are quite partisan... and you virtually always defend him even when his actions are indefensible.  Sorry if those truths hurt.

Nah.

 

But I totally understand the false narrative you and others put forth.

You can't defeat me with ideas and valid responses so you and others....

1. Name call

2. Lie

3.State your opinions as fact

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9 minutes ago, Sprightly said:

I will support anyone running against Trump. Except her. 

Oh please. So you'd support David Duke before her. Talk about derangement syndrome.

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1 minute ago, cprenegade said:

Unless someone has proof that votes were changed in the swing states, then ultimately no.   Those who believed the propaganda coming out from the Russians were against her to begin with.  I doubt that those leaks and fake propaganda stories really changed anyone's opinion.  

 

 

 

I guess we can really never know how the Russian hacking ultimately interfered with the election.

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Just now, ms maggie said:

Oh please. So you'd support David Duke before her. Talk about derangement syndrome.

What an idiot comment. It is beneath you.

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Just now, Sprightly said:

What an idiot comment. It is beneath you.

No it's not.....beneath her.

 

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6 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

And she's still 1 million times better a human being than trump

Maybe so, but what were you supposed to do when you supported none of Hillary's proposals, strongly opposed many of them, and supported a lot of what Trump said, even if you knew he was a liar?  Take away the fact that many people hated Hillary and that Trump was a vile human being and that's what a lot of people faced.   It made me vote third party for the first time ever because of Trump's temperament and the fact that I didn't believe him, but I don't live in a swing state and the outcome in MD was a foregone conclusion.   I understand where a lot of people came from.   How do you vote against what you want policy wise and for what you strongly disagree with policy wise?

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4 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

People leak the sensational stuff. And likely the publisher to drive sales.

There are other excerpts that aren't as sexy:

“Every day that I was a candidate for president, I knew that millions of people were counting on me and I couldn’t bear the idea of letting them down, but I did. I couldn’t get the job done and I’ll have to live with that for the rest of my life. 

I also am tired of the infighting. Time for new blood, let go of old wounds.

She should stop pointing the finger at people like Sanders and Biden. 

IMO, the 2008 primaries were nastier than 2016 but Dems were able to move on in large part thanks to Hillary's relationship with Obama 

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Just now, cprenegade said:

Maybe so, but what were you supposed to do when you supported none of Hillary's proposals, strongly opposed many of them, and supported a lot of what Trump said, even if you knew he was a liar?  Take away the fact that many people hated Hillary and that Trump was a vile human being and that's what a lot of people faced.   It made me vote third party for the first time ever because of Trump's temperament and the fact that I didn't believe him, but I don't live in a swing state and the outcome in MD was a foregone conclusion.   I understand where a lot of people came from.   How do you vote against what you want policy wise and for what you strongly disagree with policy wise?

When it comes to a person like trump I'm sorry but it's easy, at least for me.  I've survived policy proposals I disagreed with and will do so again.  I'm not sure, however, that we can get past a thing like trump.  I was determined, at all costs, to make sure that mentally deranged narcissist didn't get into the WH.  Where I am it was gonna be Hillary no matter what so it didn't matter.  But I damn sure would have voted for her over him were I in a swing state.

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6 minutes ago, mcorioles said:

Nah.

 

But I totally understand the false narrative you and others put forth.

You can't defeat me with ideas and valid responses so you and others....

1. Name call

2. Lie

3.State your opinions as fact

You forgot to declare that you've exposed hypocrisy.  :lol:

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Just now, Sprightly said:

What an idiot comment. It is beneath you.

Oh so you would support HRC before Duke. Good to know.

What's idiocy is grimly holding on to the laughable notion that H, or most reasonably competent, intelligent people wouldn't be preferable to this hideous thing we now have.

Your personal animus should take a back seat to a sober evaluation of who has the requisite skills for the job. Making it personal is childish and frankly irresponsible.

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7 minutes ago, Ravens2006 said:

The part about Bernie not being a "Democrat" is pretty much 100% correct.  Said it many times in response to all of the "Dem party colluded against Bernice!" griping... the guy has been an "Independent" (with a laundry list of other more specific labels) virtually his entire political career.  He joined the D party for the sole purpose of basically trying to get a "final two" nomination.  It didn't work, so he's back to being whatever it is that he is.  Can't complain about being blackballed or whatever by a party that you never REALLY wanted to be a part of in the first place.  And yes, his opposition in the primary and all of the angst he and his supporters carried after about the corruption / collusion probably did play some role in Trump's victory.  How much, who knows.

 

All true but I think it's fair to say that Bernie and Trump tapped into an anti-Establishment feeling among the 2016 electorate that Hillary either didn't notice or chose to ignore. 

She didn't really speak to voters who wanted "Change" and it turned out that those were the voters who tipped the election to Trump

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2 minutes ago, ms maggie said:

Oh so you would support HRC before Duke. Good to know.

What's idiocy is grimly holding on to the laughable notion that H, or most reasonably competent, intelligent people wouldn't be preferable to this hideous thing we now have.

Your personal animus should take a back seat to a sober evaluation of who has the requisite skills for the job. Making it personal is childish and frankly irresponsible.

I'll do exactly what I did the last time I couldn't stand either candidate - vote "other."

I will never support HRC. And I think you owe me an apology for the lousy thing you said to me.

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7 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

You forgot to declare that you've exposed hypocrisy.  :lol:

Thanks for giving another example to prove my point.

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5 minutes ago, Sprightly said:

I'll do exactly what I did the last time I couldn't stand either candidate - vote "other."

I will never support HRC. And I think you owe me an apology for the lousy thing you said to me.

 

14 minutes ago, Sprightly said:

What an idiot comment. It is beneath you.

 

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