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2 hours ago, karlydee2 said:

NO It's actually Constitutional LAW

When Virginia split into West Virginia, Virginia, and Kentucky  -- it made 2 entirely NEW states -- geesh -- do some research

 

and guess what, Kentucky wasn't AUTOMATICALLY admitted

On December 18, 1789, Virginia again gave its consent to Kentucky statehood. The United States Congress gave its approval on February 4, 1791.[45] (This occurred two weeks before Congress approved Vermont's petition for statehood.[46]) Kentucky officially became the fifteenth state in the Union on June 1, 1792.

 

WHile we are on that subject -- Vermont was a sovereign Nation that petitioned for statehood 

Ultimately, those settlers prevailed in creating an independent state, the Vermont Republic. Founded in 1777 during the American Revolutionary War, the republic lasted for 14 years. Aside from the original 13 states that were formerly colonies, Vermont is one of only four U.S. states that were previously sovereign states(along with California, Hawaii, and Texas).

 

How else could Puerto Rico become a State -- unless the Constitution allow for it to become one by Majority Congressional approval?

 

All your examples are about joining the union.

Secession is about leaving the union.

Got it? It's not hard. Even this "karlydee2" person grasped it:

"They violated the constitution and formed a Confederation in direct contravention of their  ratification of said document."

so appears it's NOT Constitutional law.

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6 minutes ago, VOSA said:

If that's true then your statement "He (Lincoln) brilliantly made the war about slavery," sometime after the war had begun was false.

Incorrect. It has been explained, but the complexity of it eludes you.

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6 hours ago, ms maggie said:

There's the rub.  "No longer under any contract to follow THEIR laws".

The Constitution was the law of all the states.  They were breaking their own law. 

Had they wanted to leave lawfully they could have pursued a Constitutional amendment.  They didn't so they took up arms against their country.  Which is fine if you win, you lose, not so fine.  And certainly not worthy of monuments to the leaders of the ill fated cause. 

They only took up arms to defend themselves from attack.  If the north just left them alone there would have been no war.

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4 hours ago, ms maggie said:

All your examples are about joining the union.

Secession is about leaving the union.

Got it? It's not hard. Even this "karlydee2" person grasped it:

"They violated the constitution and formed a Confederation in direct contravention of their  ratification of said document."

so appears it's NOT Constitutional law.

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Well -- your statement is not entirely accurate.

Part of Virginia LEFT the UNION, with congressional approval (the part that made up Kentucky, and West Virginia). -- and did not immediately re-join the Union (look at the dates for over a year Kentucky was a Congressionally approved break-away state (FEB 1791), yet not yet admitted to the union until June 1792).

And Texas can still to this day create 4 more States from within it's own Territory, NONE OF WHICH MUST Petition for admission to the Union. -- and Texas alone can determine whether to divide itself -- congress already approved it -- and the ex post facto provision of the Constitution means COngress can't invalidate Texas' right to create 4 new States

Joint Resolution for Annexing Texas to the United States, approved by Congress on 1 March 1845

"New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution; and such states as may be formed out of the territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri Compromise Line, shall be admitted into the Union, with or without slavery, as the people of each State, asking admission shall desire; and in such State or States as shall be formed out of said territory, north of said Missouri Compromise Line, slavery, or involuntary servitude (except for crime) shall be prohibited."

 

Nothing says they are REQUIRED to petition for admission, 

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If the South had been astute -- they would have petitioned to combine states (the North would have jumped at the idea -- less southern senators).

 

Then after the creation of the new States (fully within Constitutional Law then -- simply not petitioned for re-admission.)

 

Invasion of said states would have been an illegal act of war, and would have garnered international support for the South.

Luckily, they were not that astute.

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On 10/8/2017 at 3:33 PM, karlydee2 said:

82.4% of whites murdered were murdered by other whites

90% of Blacks murdered were murdered by other blacks

 

https://qz.com/556988/here-are-four-charts-on-race-and-murder-in-america-to-tweet-back-at-donald-trump/

 

Your argument is false - window dressing and BS

 

5 people robbed minutes apart on same street http://www.abc2news.com/news/crime-checker/baltimore-city-crime/johns-hopkins-students-others-robbed-minutes-apart-on-same-baltimore-street

"Police say all three suspects were black men around the ages of 19-20. They were all under six feet tall and weighed around 140-150 pounds."

This news article today made me think of you karlydee. <_<

 

 

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2 hours ago, PinkFlamingo said:

 

5 people robbed minutes apart on same street http://www.abc2news.com/news/crime-checker/baltimore-city-crime/johns-hopkins-students-others-robbed-minutes-apart-on-same-baltimore-street

"Police say all three suspects were black men around the ages of 19-20. They were all under six feet tall and weighed around 140-150 pounds."

This news article today made me think of you karlydee. <_<

 

 

So...

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1 hour ago, karlydee2 said:

So...

Not bigotry...just facts

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