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Sports betting at Maryland casinos could return for 2018 agenda in General Assembly

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http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/anne-arundel/bs-md-casino-gambling-sports-20171010-story.html

Oh yes....the dems in this state are so predicatable.

Maryland’s gambling laws permitting casinos take the form of constitutional amendments, which are put to voters, who ultimately decide.

It’s not clear that Maryland lawmakers share the industry’s sense of urgency. Del. Frank Turner, the gaming committee’s House co-chair, said legislation to allow sports betting will likely find a sponsor, but he’s not sure it will pass next year.

“If we don’t move on it in ’18, we can move on it in ’20,” the Howard County Democrat said.

Hmmmmm.....SSDD....funny....how the timing is all around whether Hogan gets elected or not. Does this... as Yogi Berra said....that ihis is Dejavue all over again.

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Sports Books are Big in the LV casinos, I think NJ was supposed to let More betting go on at the sports books that were pretty small in comparison there but I really haven't kept up on it as I don't do it. If the MD Pols figure out how to get their Take of it here, they'll do it. Been to "Live" just once and haven't been back, no desire to go to Horseshoe and only went in and looked around at Hollywood once. Just have no desire to Gamble here at home. For me it's always been about going Away to Stay and Play in the Real Casinos. I'll be in LV in December.

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Just like Turmp's tax discussion I believe a lot of these proposals are all about prying open the lobbyists wallets.

Propose tax changes or gambling and all of the elected officials in power have lots of donations for the next election cycle.

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Allowing sports book is long overdue. It is nonsense to allow some kinds of gaming and not others. What is even more crazy is the idea that the state constitution has to be amended to allow it. Just have the legislature do its job and vote. 

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They don't have to be for the children. It is dangerous to earmark money like that. Let the legislature do their jobs and allocate the revenues to the needs. 

 

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34 minutes ago, sparky1 said:

They don't have to be for the children. It is dangerous to earmark money like that. Let the legislature do their jobs and allocate the revenues to the needs. 

 

100% correct, as the money never goes to the chilluns'

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1 hour ago, sparky1 said:

They don't have to be for the children. It is dangerous to earmark money like that. Let the legislature do their jobs and allocate the revenues to the needs. 

 

Good idea were it not for the fact that to the members of the GA "needs" means buying more votes.

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24 minutes ago, johnpolitics said:

In Delaware you can bet in games at the liquor store. 

Seems only fair as one can buy liquor at the games.

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2 hours ago, sparky1 said:

Allowing sports book is long overdue. It is nonsense to allow some kinds of gaming and not others. What is even more crazy is the idea that the state constitution has to be amended to allow it. Just have the legislature do its job and vote. 

I guess that depends on how the constitution is written.

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59 minutes ago, Bawlmerian said:

I guess that depends on how the constitution is written.

I was wondering about  that statement myself.

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6 hours ago, Bartman said:

Sports Books are Big in the LV casinos, I think NJ was supposed to let More betting go on at the sports books that were pretty small in comparison there but I really haven't kept up on it as I don't do it. If the MD Pols figure out how to get their Take of it here, they'll do it. Been to "Live" just once and haven't been back, no desire to go to Horseshoe and only went in and looked around at Hollywood once. Just have no desire to Gamble here at home. For me it's always been about going Away to Stay and Play in the Real Casinos. I'll be in LV in December.

I am no analyst....but it seems like you enjoy gambling....like one would enjoy a good golf course....and this is important....

as part of getting away from things....it is not I NEED to gamble.

Good for you. Me hardly ever gamble...just not in the genes. I still remember when the Irish Sweepstakes ticket....big doin's.....when they snuck them in.

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3 hours ago, Guido2 said:

I am no analyst....but it seems like you enjoy gambling....like one would enjoy a good golf course....and this is important....

as part of getting away from things....it is not I NEED to gamble.

Good for you. Me hardly ever gamble...just not in the genes. I still remember when the Irish Sweepstakes ticket....big doin's.....when they snuck them in.

Yeah, it's always been about getting Away and just being Other than what you have to be week in and week out at work & home. I like being catered to in LV and almost as much in AC. Been to both many times now since I Re-Discovered AC in my 50's. As my Dad's side of the family is in NJ, I was there as a Kid before the casinos and thought it was a Dump back then in the 60's. My preferred place was Seaside Heights not far from my Dad's folks place in Bayville. You know, Kids just like Rides & Seaside had More! When we 1st vacationed in OC here, I didn't think much of it. When I Re-discovered AC later, I was amazed having Never been in a Casino before in my life. Then in LV I was blown away! It really IS the Disneyland for Adults. AC is still OK but not what it was just a few years ago. All the States legalizing their own gambling killed their East Coast Monopoly. Think about it, most people have to Fly in to LV where AC is within a 4-5hr drive to Millions in the east. It was Much better 10yrs ago now it's like 1/3rd of the places are gone. But Hard Rock bought the Taj after Icahn closed it and they're supposed to re-open it next year. My Fav place to stay there was the Showboat but CET closed that several years ago. I like the less crowded North end of the boardwalk. Now I just stay at Harrah's bayside and run around there & the Borgata & Golden Nugget for a few days/nites mid-week now and then.

This is how I remember Seaside, as a Kid we All had crew cuts or wiffles and wore those striped t-shirts!

 

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7 hours ago, johnpolitics said:

In Delaware you can bet in games at the liquor store. 

Yeah, but it is part of the Delaware lottery and the betting is limited.  You must bet in terms of a parlay/teaser that involves a minimum of 3 different games.  If you wanted to put money on the Ravens to win, you have to do at least two other teams.  Not quite Vegas by any means, but the closest you can get to legalized football gambling around here.  If MD wants sports gambling they have to topple the Fed law that allows full blown sports books to operate in Las Vegas only.  

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IMHO, this is another case of Maryland jumping on the bandwagon a little too late and a dollar short. First, sticking their toes into the water with the "Maryland Lottery." Then slots.  Slots/table games?  DE, WV and PA beat us there not to mention Atlantic City.

Gamblers without a problem have limited disposable income. the so-called "high rollers" won't come here, with little or no comps. (Bartman is much more knowledgeable of the Maryland gaming situation than me, however i doubt that he'll disagree with my post.)

My understanding is that the State's take (taxes) of the casino's profits are substantially higher than neighboring states, as it would be with sports gaming.

Maryland killed the "golden gaming goose" before it even got going. 

The State can't responsibly spend our (yes it is  ourmoney, but yet they're asking us to grift them another few billion dollars to waste as they please. And dollars to donuts, it will never be "for the childrens." 

 

 

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3 hours ago, blowboatbethesda said:

IMHO, this is another case of Maryland jumping on the bandwagon a little too late and a dollar short. First, sticking their toes into the water with the "Maryland Lottery." Then slots.  Slots/table games?  DE, WV and PA beat us there not to mention Atlantic City.

Gamblers without a problem have limited disposable income. the so-called "high rollers" won't come here, with little or no comps. (Bartman is much more knowledgeable of the Maryland gaming situation than me, however i doubt that he'll disagree with my post.)

My understanding is that the State's take (taxes) of the casino's profits are substantially higher than neighboring states, as it would be with sports gaming.

Maryland killed the "golden gaming goose" before it even got going. 

The State can't responsibly spend our (yes it is  ourmoney, but yet they're asking us to grift them another few billion dollars to waste as they please. And dollars to donuts, it will never be "for the childrens." 

 

 

I don't remember exactly offhand what rate NJ taxes their casinos at. In any case it's much lower than what most states who recently expanded gaming are doing. I read that PA gets 1/2 of the take in their casinos. When I read that MD was going to rake in 2/3rds of the Take here, I figured No Co. in their right mind would come to MD. Guess I was wrong. However I will say that "Live" didn't impress me and I didn't really expect to see much at Hollywood. Still haven't been to Horseshoe and likely never will. Just go on Wikipedia and look up the difference between Class 2 and Class 3 slot machines. I won't play State regulated/connected Slots. All the MD State Lottery agency will say is that on ALL Games Overall they pay "Winners" some 60 odd percent of the Take, that Stinks! I'll only play True RNG type Slots. Besides that Table Minimums are Lower all over in LV, not as much in AC but I just can't afford to play My game tables in MD at all. In LV I've played Pai Gow Poker at $5/hand. Buy in for $100 and play all afternoon! Played Mini-Bac at $5 hand at South Point. In LV Downtown in the Morning I've played Roulette at $2 a spin with 0.25 chips! You can't even play that cheap in AC and Forget about it here! I'm strictly a low Roller.

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12 hours ago, Bartman said:

Yeah, it's always been about getting Away and just being Other than what you have to be week in and week out at work & home. I like being catered to in LV and almost as much in AC. Been to both many times now since I Re-Discovered AC in my 50's. As my Dad's side of the family is in NJ, I was there as a Kid before the casinos and thought it was a Dump back then in the 60's. My preferred place was Seaside Heights not far from my Dad's folks place in Bayville. You know, Kids just like Rides & Seaside had More! When we 1st vacationed in OC here, I didn't think much of it. When I Re-discovered AC later, I was amazed having Never been in a Casino before in my life. Then in LV I was blown away! It really IS the Disneyland for Adults. AC is still OK but not what it was just a few years ago. All the States legalizing their own gambling killed their East Coast Monopoly. Think about it, most people have to Fly in to LV where AC is within a 4-5hr drive to Millions in the east. It was Much better 10yrs ago now it's like 1/3rd of the places are gone. But Hard Rock bought the Taj after Icahn closed it and they're supposed to re-open it next year. My Fav place to stay there was the Showboat but CET closed that several years ago. I like the less crowded North end of the boardwalk. Now I just stay at Harrah's bayside and run around there & the Borgata & Golden Nugget for a few days/nites mid-week now and then.

This is how I remember Seaside, as a Kid we All had crew cuts or wiffles and wore those striped t-shirts!

 

Yes that was the SSHs I remember....striped shirts and a crewcut. My grandmother had a bungalow at Midway....it was my summer camp for many years....loved it. I was upset for months after the family had to sell it to cover my grandmothers cancer treatments.

BTW my father was kinda instrumental in bringing gambling back to AC and reviving it. He was a big wheel in the bus industry/charters in the NY/NJ areas. He and I were there for the ribbon cutting ceremony for the first casino...The Playboy. Weird story....I hadn't been to AC for decades but we were in the area for a graduation so we hit the boards. I am standing in the middle of the boardwalk sort of looking around and I get this 'spidy sense' that this was familiar....I look over at a building they were demolishing....it was The Playboy. Very freaky!

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11 hours ago, Guido2 said:

Yes that was the SSHs I remember....striped shirts and a crewcut. My grandmother had a bungalow at Midway....it was my summer camp for many years....loved it. I was upset for months after the family had to sell it to cover my grandmothers cancer treatments.

BTW my father was kinda instrumental in bringing gambling back to AC and reviving it. He was a big wheel in the bus industry/charters in the NY/NJ areas. He and I were there for the ribbon cutting ceremony for the first casino...The Playboy. Weird story....I hadn't been to AC for decades but we were in the area for a graduation so we hit the boards. I am standing in the middle of the boardwalk sort of looking around and I get this 'spidy sense' that this was familiar....I look over at a building they were demolishing....it was The Playboy. Very freaky!

I still have cousins in Forked River. I'm old enough that I remember the Navy Blimps flying over us out on my Grandfathers & Uncles boat fishing in Barnegat Bay. I remember going to Asbury Park too when there were still some rides there and the walkthrough Fun House inside the one place. Seeing pics of Asbury now just saddens me. I was Heartbroken seeing the one Pier at Seaside wiped out by Sandy. I remember the Wild Mouse out there on the end where you thought you would get flung out into the ocean. OC here had Squat for rides when I was a kid while Seaside had Two Piers full of rides! What kid wouldn't Love that? Point Pleasant & Belmar, I still have some vague memories of those. Mostly the family going to restaurants there. In the 60's when I pestered the folks to go see AC way back then they told me ahead of time there was Nothing there. Eventually they relented and we drove down there and I remember their Boardwalk was full of places mostly all boarded up. The Steel Pier was even closed! So in my mind the Casinos really Did "Save" AC. Never saw it again till I hit my 50's after Dad passed and Mom told me how she missed Dad taking her to stay a couple nites in AC now & then. So I said I'll take you and that was the First time I ever set foot in a Casino! I still like AC enough for short 2 or 3 nite midweek stays spread out maybe 3 or 4 times a year. Trying to get back on my schedule for my Summer & Winter weeklong trips to LV. Been there at least a Dozen times and I miss it. Be back this year in December!

Here's a Seaside Heights local guy who must live there and he puts up a neat little bunch of Videos on YouTube, Nothing Fancy but kinda Nice to see.

http://www.youtube.com/user/csideparknj

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Guess you missed my walk down memory lane with someone on another thread. I articulated much of what you said.

Yes...BLIMPS.... even in the 60's they were still partoling for subs looking for the rougue Nazi sub that didn't get the surrender message. We kids loved being on the beach and seeing them. The would swing west from the ocean over the beach. Kids would all wave. Most everytime the crew would pop the windows in the gondola open and hang out the windows and wave at us. Such a thrill.

Wild Mouse. OH YES....up the first hill...clackety clack....hard righ ...picking up speed....you thought you would fly off into the ocean...hard right and down.

My grandmother loved here bingo....she would take me...she would play bingo ...and give ONE ROLL of pennies...which I used at the arcade across the boards from the bingo place.... just off Funtown. Amazing.... I could kill an entire afternoon on 50cents. Do you remember the crab/grabber/steam shovel ....had all the 'cool' cheap toys you tried to get with it. I had more than my share of 'magic' clams...that you soaked in water when you got home and the paper band would desolve and you would get a 'magic' flower on a string that popped out and floated to the top. Oh and my collection of old WW2 airplane postercards...penny a pop.

Great memories.

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4 hours ago, Guido2 said:

Guess you missed my walk down memory lane with someone on another thread. I articulated much of what you said.

Yes...BLIMPS.... even in the 60's they were still partoling for subs looking for the rougue Nazi sub that didn't get the surrender message. We kids loved being on the beach and seeing them. The would swing west from the ocean over the beach. Kids would all wave. Most everytime the crew would pop the windows in the gondola open and hang out the windows and wave at us. Such a thrill.

Wild Mouse. OH YES....up the first hill...clackety clack....hard righ ...picking up speed....you thought you would fly off into the ocean...hard right and down.

My grandmother loved here bingo....she would take me...she would play bingo ...and give ONE ROLL of pennies...which I used at the arcade across the boards from the bingo place.... just off Funtown. Amazing.... I could kill an entire afternoon on 50cents. Do you remember the crab/grabber/steam shovel ....had all the 'cool' cheap toys you tried to get with it. I had more than my share of 'magic' clams...that you soaked in water when you got home and the paper band would desolve and you would get a 'magic' flower on a string that popped out and floated to the top. Oh and my collection of old WW2 airplane postercards...penny a pop.

Great memories.

As I recall, there was/is some NJ or Local law where they couldn't have "Bingo" but they had basically the same thing called "Skill-O" didn't they? Yeah my Dad's mom would play there all day. The other thing I remember was the Swings from the big Globe out there on the pier, swung you right out over the edge by the beach. There were so many Games to play at the Arcades I barely remember any of them at all except Skee-Ball. Yeah we were up in NJ so many times in the summer 'cause we stayed at my Grandparents house right off Route 9 for Nothing. The trips here to OC came later after my Dad could afford to Pay to stay somewhere. Shame we have to grow up and deal with Adult life.

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Thought there was a federal law against straight up sports betting outside of Vegas .....

Other states like Delaware have gimmick bets like multi-tasking parlays .....

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4 hours ago, Eastside Terp said:

Thought there was a federal law against straight up sports betting outside of Vegas .....

Other states like Delaware have gimmick bets like multi-tasking parlays .....

Not 100% sure on that, a couple yrs ago I heard that NJ was going to open it up to Sports betting besides just the Horses but I haven't kept up on it. I heard abt Del doing the parlay thing too. It may be a State to State thing but if it is the Feds I don't doubt that the states will get the Feds to open it up sooner or later as pretty much All the states have their own gambling now in some form. I oughta pick back up on my subscription to Casino Player I let lapse.  

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9 hours ago, Bartman said:

Not 100% sure on that, a couple yrs ago I heard that NJ was going to open it up to Sports betting besides just the Horses but I haven't kept up on it. I heard abt Del doing the parlay thing too. It may be a State to State thing but if it is the Feds I don't doubt that the states will get the Feds to open it up sooner or later as pretty much All the states have their own gambling now in some form. I oughta pick back up on my subscription to Casino Player I let lapse.  

During the course of the presidential campaign, candidate Trump expressed his support for legalized sports betting.[8] Trump appointee, acting Solicitor General Jeffrey B. Wall, said New Jersey didn't have a case.[9]

In October 2016, former NBA Commissioner David Stern called for the repeal of PASPA, reversing his earlier testimony before the Senate.[10]

On June 27, 2017, the Supreme Court agreed to hear Christie v. NCAA,[11] and NJ Thoroughbred Horsemen v. NCAA.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_and_Amateur_Sports_Protection_Act_of_1992

I used to be really into sports betting . ....

First computer I ever own I  the late 80s I used to keep track of all college football returning starters and other systems .... 

Used to get binders of data mailed from Vegas .....

In the 90s stuff became availble on line ....

As far as I know Vegas is only place where you have true sports betting .....

The other places are like the little football pools you see with terrible odds, similar to keno ....

If you bet $1 and pick 4 teams they pay $10.....

Odds of picking 4 50-50 winners are 16-1 (1\2×1/2×1/2×1/2)......

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