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Trump's Latest Impeachable Actions

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We can't allow this authoritarian would-be despot to make us forget that this is not normal nor acceptable.

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At the core of President Trump’s unfitness and his malfeasance in office is his interaction with the Justice Department and the courts. This goes from the merely verbal denigration of the courts — “a joke,” “a laughingstock,” “so-called judges” — to actual actions such as firing the FBI director, reportedly imploring the FBI director to lay off of former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn, trying to meddle in the prosecution of Joe Arpaio (whom he subsequently pardoned for criminal contempt of court) and, now, directly encouraging the Justice Department to go after a political opponent for spurious, long-ago debunked claims.

There is no president in modern memory who has repeatedly and directly called on the Justice Department to investigate a political opponent in such a manner. A politician, one could imagine, upon new and actual evidence of wrongdoing, might say something like, “The appropriate authorities should look into this.” That’s not what Trump is doing here. He is both assuming guilt and applying pressure to go after an opponent based on scurrilous propaganda that he and his followers have generated. This is the conduct of a Third World dictator, and by any stretch of the imagination, an abuse of presidential power.

Trump’s latest call — following “lock her up” chants at rallies that continued after his election — is not an isolated event, but, as noted before, part of an ongoing pattern of trying to lean on the Justice Department either to pursue or not to pursue criminal proceedings against specific individuals. This certainly clears the bar of abuse of power established in the impeachment of Richard Nixon (who “merely” countenanced using the CIA to shut down the FBI’s investigation of the Watergate break-in) and goes well beyond the discrete action of Bill Clinton in lying under oath in the Paula Jones matter and to the grand jury. Trump’s conduct is pervasive, and if allowed to go unpunished will permanently distort our constitutional system. We simply cannot tolerate presidential meddling in our criminal-justice system to protect friends and persecute enemies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/03/trumps-latest-impeachable-actions/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.bc76928fbb64

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Poor babies. It will all be over in... seven years?

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So when do the impeachment proceeding start?

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6 minutes ago, workerbee said:

Poor babies. It will all be over in... seven years?

 

4 minutes ago, VOSA said:

So when do the impeachment proceeding start?

Do you support a leader's efforts to use the government to punish political opponents?

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If the FBI would do their job he wouldn't have to address it.

 

One good thing the Trump Admin has already done is shined a spotlight on the Dems and their totally shady tactics.

 

If you really want to get some credibility back you should agree with Sen.Warren and finally admit Hillary IS THE ONE who actually rigged an election..........

not Trump.

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5 minutes ago, hst2 said:

 

Do you support a leader's efforts to use the government to punish political opponents?

President Obama... is former president Obama.

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21 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

You could always soothe your hurt feelings by participating in “the scream” on the anniversary of the election. 

http://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889

 

Edited by volperdinger

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5 minutes ago, volperdinger said:

You could always soothe your hurt feelings by participating in “the scream” on the anniversary of the election. 

http://www.newsweek.com/americans-scream-helplessly-sky-donald-trump-election-anniversary-690889

 

Thanks, I'll be contacting my elected representatives and donating to democrats in swing districts instead.

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I encourage this  behavior......everytime they come up with a new "impeachment crisis" it's just another nail in the Mid Term coffin.

Edited by mcorioles

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Rep. Nancy Pelosi is encouraging the party to disassociate from the "impeachment" movement being pushed by Tom Steyer and the far left, and instead concentrate their efforts (and money) on the economy and yhe "Better Deal" message that will make a difference in the mid term elections.

I'm with her.

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1 hour ago, hst2 said:

 

Do you support a leader's efforts to use the government to punish political opponents?

You mean like when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative organization?

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14 minutes ago, VOSA said:

You mean like when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative organization?

Yeah, oh wait, he didn't

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16 minutes ago, VOSA said:

You mean like when Obama used the IRS to go after conservative organization?

:lol: You're not really still pushing that lie, are you?  :lol::lol:

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14 minutes ago, mrsmlh said:

:lol: You're not really still pushing that lie, are you?  :lol::lol:

Let's look at the hypocrisy that is routinely on full display here.

Set aside the fact that subjecting overtly political groups (both left and right) who are applying for tax exempt status under the guise of being educational or social welfare groups is certainly within the IRS's jurisdiction - in other words, there's nothing inherently wrong with the IRS looking to see if a group applying for tax exempt status actually is engaged in electoral or legislative activity. Also, set aside the fact that Obama never instructed the IRS to go after these groups.

Now, if that was so horrible why are the people who were so up in arms about that, so willing to give it a pass when the president publicly demands that the FBI and Justice Department investigate his political opponents? You would imagine that if someone was upset about the IRS asking for some extra paperwork or taking a little longer with a tax exempt application then they would be really upset by a president actively trying to use the levers of government to throw his political opponents in jail. But, that's not the country we live in anymore.

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2 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

Thanks, I'll be contacting my elected representatives and donating to democrats in swing districts instead.

How ..???

You lost your job with Twitter. Unemployment doesn't pay that much.

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20 minutes ago, mrsmlh said:

:lol::lol:  I need a link to where Obama was the one who used the IRS like you claimed he did.

1st link indicates targeting was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

2nd link indicates audit was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

3rd link indicates controversy started in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

Now, are you going to tell me that during his presidency Obama had no control over the IRS?

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9 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

Liberal groups were scrutinized as well. If you want tax exempt status there are certain activities you are prohibited from engaging in, such as advocating for candidates or particular pieces of legislation. Those are the rules

Labor unions do this all the time.  I believe they are considered 501(C) organizations and are exempt at least from some federal taxation.  If so, that should be stripped immediately.  

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14 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

Liberal groups were scrutinized as well. If you want tax exempt status there are certain activities you are prohibited from engaging in, such as advocating for candidates or particular pieces of legislation. Those are the rules

No one is questioning the rules (nice try at diversion).

What is being questioned, and what has been admitted to, is that the IRS applied the rules in a partisan manner.

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3 minutes ago, VOSA said:

1st link indicates targeting was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

2nd link indicates audit was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

3rd link indicates controversy started in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

Now, are you going to tell me that during his presidency Obama had no control over the IRS?

You need to find a direct quote from him to satisfy some ......

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1 minute ago, VOSA said:

No one is questioning the rules (nice try at diversion).

What is being questioned, and what has been admitted to, is that the IRS applied the rules in a partisan manner.

They targeted liberal groups as well. How is that partisan. 

And, i have yet to see the obama tweets and interviews Where he publicly calls on the IRS to go after these groups. So your deflection has a giant failWhere he publicly calls on the IRS to go after these groups. So your deflection has a giant fail

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7 minutes ago, VOSA said:

1st link indicates targeting was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

2nd link indicates audit was done in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

3rd link indicates controversy started in 2013.

Who was POTUS in 2013?

 

 

Now, are you going to tell me that during his presidency Obama had no control over the IRS?

None of your post was a link that I could click on and see who actually said it.

So is the IRS researching political groups as bad as Trump's actions?

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9 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

They targeted liberal groups as well. How is that partisan. 

And, i have yet to see the obama tweets and interviews Where he publicly calls on the IRS to go after these groups. So your deflection has a giant failWhere he publicly calls on the IRS to go after these groups. So your deflection has a giant fail

How convenient that you just happened to miss the "although in small numbers" part

So you also believe that those loose cannons over at the IRS enforced the law in a partisan manner without 1st checking with the POTUS. And you further believe that the POTUS publicly announces everything he tell his administration to do.

Are you playing dumb or do really believe the fantasies you're trying to sell here?

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