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Half of Millennials would prefer to live in a socialist or communist country

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4 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

I was hoping I didn't give that impression. We have our issues, but a lot of good people (like us) are from there. My clubhouse is there, but I must admit, I don't enjoy riding on the busted up roads. Especially now.:lol: 

   So my appt. went well. Still about 2 months from riding, but he said I can start to walk without a walker or cane a little at a time, and I can drive short distances! Thanks for asking.:)

My adult kids and grandkids are always going to the city for something (restaurant, concert, bookstore, record store, etc.) and I still have family and friends that live there so I don't like it when people trash the whole city because of some of the residents.  

Glad to hear the appt went well and that you will be walking better and driving!!

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4 hours ago, mrsmlh said:

There are bad spots and good spots in all those "civilized areas" in the US, unfortunately, some posters seem to think the entire cities are bad.

 

16 minutes ago, mrsmlh said:

Not really unless you think like that :D.  I would hope that you do not feel that way but there are some posters who actually believe all of Baltimore is overrun with thugs just waiting to kill you if you step foot inside the city line.

How goes it?  Are you back on the bike?

Really?  Which ones think that? 

I acknowledge that there are parts of some cities like Baltimore that are really bad, but not the entire city, and even the "good" parts of the city have crime problems that are often caused by crime spillage from other parts of the city.

Those group assaults that happened just recently in Federal Hill, Homeland, and Canton, or the visiting family of 10 people who were assaulted with at least two of the victims winding up in the hospital with concussions.  There have been a lot of attacks on bicyclists lately too, and carjackings are way up. 

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On 11/4/2017 at 9:34 AM, ms maggie said:

Have you spent any time in socialist countries? I have, Sweden and Denmark. Wonderful places.

fair enough, but do you think what may work well in counties with populations of 9 and 5 million would work just as well in one with 350 million plus? How's Venezuela making out with it? Cuba?

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On 11/5/2017 at 0:11 AM, can you hear me now! said:

Having lived in 2 (England and Germany) you would not lose any freedoms. What you would lose is the profit motive driving the country. You would enjoy decent health care, more civility, and more diversity...all those things the right despises......there are elections with limited time frames for campaigns and financed with public money...the right hates that because they wouldn't be able to make money supporting the donor class....have you looked at the education rankings? you'd get a better education because knowledge is valued...as apposed to the right who want a pliable uneducated voter base....

why didn't you stay in utopia?

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41 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

 

Really?  Which ones think that? 

I acknowledge that there are parts of some cities like Baltimore that are really bad, but not the entire city, and even the "good" parts of the city have crime problems that are often caused by crime spillage from other parts of the city.

Those group assaults that happened just recently in Federal Hill, Homeland, and Canton, or the visiting family of 10 people who were assaulted with at least two of the victims winding up in the hospital with concussions.  There have been a lot of attacks on bicyclists lately too, and carjackings are way up. 

That kind of stuff is still relatively rare in in those areas. That’s why it was News. You don’t often see assaults on Monument St or in Park Heights reported on the News because those kinds of crimes are sadly more common in other neighborhoods 

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Who gives a 💩? This BS shouldn't happen ANYWHERE.

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On 11/5/2017 at 9:13 AM, WKDWZD said:

It seems to me that you are suggesting that the further one is from 'civilization' the less educated, isolated, parochial and, quite frankly, dumber one becomes.

Um...

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On 11/4/2017 at 9:34 AM, ms maggie said:

Have you spent any time in socialist countries? I have, Sweden and Denmark. Wonderful places.

Splitting hairs but denmark and sweden aren’t socialist. They are mixed economies

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On 11/4/2017 at 9:34 AM, ms maggie said:

Have you spent any time in socialist countries? I have, Sweden and Denmark. Wonderful places.

It has worked out well for the Bolsheviks - if you like tractors.

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10 hours ago, Saticon3 said:

fair enough, but do you think what may work well in counties with populations of 9 and 5 million would work just as well in one with 350 million plus? How's Venezuela making out with it? Cuba?

Certainly. What specifically isn't scalable?

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46 minutes ago, kelsey59 said:

It has worked out well for the Bolsheviks - if you like tractors.

So you've never been to Sweden and Denmark. Cool.

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14 hours ago, Saticon3 said:

fair enough, but do you think what may work well in counties with populations of 9 and 5 million would work just as well in one with 350 million plus? How's Venezuela making out with it? Cuba?

In Venezuela's case, they built their corrupt socialist utopia on the basis of high prices for a single commodity, oil.  Doesn't matter what economic model you use if the foundation is corruption and stupidity.

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4 hours ago, ms maggie said:

Certainly. What specifically isn't scalable?

I can never understand that type of thinking either, it usually comes up in gun debates, social healthcare discussion and the like. As you say, it is just a matter of scale.

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6 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

Splitting hairs but denmark and sweden aren’t socialist. They are mixed economies

Thank you.

 

I was wondering if anyone would challenge that statement.

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Most of this 'argument' is garbage, as no one here has agreed on what 'socialism' means.

Operationally, on this forum anyway, 'socialism' is used as an insult, a code word for 'bad'.

It's thrown around like a muddy frisby, soiling everything near.

For most practical purposes, other than an insult, it's lost it's meaning.

 

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15 hours ago, soulflower said:

That kind of stuff is still relatively rare in in those areas. That’s why it was News. You don’t often see assaults on Monument St or in Park Heights reported on the News because those kinds of crimes are sadly more common in other neighborhoods 

It's not that rare at all.  The only reason it was News this time was because the visiting family of 10 from NJ came forward themselves to say how they were swarmed, beaten, kicked, robbed, and wound up in the hospital as a result.  Then other people came forward to the local news.  The city and the police didn't publicize it because such stories hurt tourism.  Same thing with the cyclists who have been attacked by a group.  It only became news when the victims went to the media themselves.

If they really wanted the public's help in identifying the little thugs and thugettes they'd show what the cameras downtown and at the convention center downtown captured.  The likely reason they don't is because seeing it for yourself gets a different reaction than just reading about it. 

Assaults and trouble caused by students from Digital Harbor are an ongoing problem too.

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7 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

Splitting hairs but denmark and sweden aren’t socialist. They are mixed economies

 

43 minutes ago, jonsensback said:

Thank you.

 

I was wondering if anyone would challenge that statement.

 Yes, but these are the types of countries that most millennials and some others think of when talking about socialist countries.

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7 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

Splitting hairs but denmark and sweden aren’t socialist. They are mixed economies

Yes and the US isn't totally capitalism. Think this was discussed earlier in the thread. These countries have significant aspects of socialism and are widely, if not correctly, referred to as "socialistic". Which is germane in light of the survey.

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If I had Bill Gates's Money, I'd be handing out Free plane tickets.

 

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7 minutes ago, Bartman said:

If I had Bill Gates's Money, I'd be handing out Free plane tickets.

 

Love it or leave, right? Cuz everyone knows the only good citizen is a non-critical citizen. 

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On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 6:34 AM, ms maggie said:

Have you spent any time in socialist countries? I have, Sweden and Denmark. Wonderful places.

Do you support compulsory military service? Denmark does. Sweden did until 2010, and are voting on brining it back this year. For the record, I agree, they are wonderful countries.

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51 minutes ago, Bartman said:

If I had Bill Gates's Money, I'd be handing out Free plane tickets.

 

So you are for forced patriotism.  Sorry but that doesn't sound like a free country to me.

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24 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

Do you support compulsory military service? Denmark does. Sweden did until 2010, and are voting on brining it back this year. For the record, I agree, they are wonderful countries.

I would support compulsory national service. Simply don't need that many people for military service.

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5 hours ago, mrsmlh said:

So you are for forced patriotism.  Sorry but that doesn't sound like a free country to me.

I was born in the 50's and raised thru the 60's. I remember the Cuban Missile Crisis and the day JFK was shot. Communism/Socialism was/is the Worst thing in the world to me, well excepting maybe now Islam. To me that's less of a Religion and more like a Cult that Enslaves and Murders people. What Hippies raised You?  

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5 hours ago, ms maggie said:

I would support compulsory national service. Simply don't need that many people for military service.

They have non combat jobs in "national service", as we do for conscientious objectors, or conditions that would make combat inappropriate. It may be the reason they do so well as a society. I know at least in my case, the military gave me structure and social skills and confidence that I'm not sure I would have otherwise. I know in boot camp I was pushed to do things I honestly didn't think I could do. It continued to teach me respect that started at home by my parents. I'm not saying it's the answer to everything, but it was a positive influence in my life.

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