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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

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If they are that dumb.....they deserve to sit and rot in China.

Few less idiots and their eventual off spring to worry about.

How frk'n stupid can you be. :rolleyes:

Good thing they were good enough to play b-ball at a major university with a free ride ......judging....there isn't much gray matter processing going on to let them do anything else.

Shhhhhessssssssh.

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3 hours ago, Guido2 said:

If they are that dumb.....they deserve to sit and rot in China.

Few less idiots and their eventual off spring to worry about.

How frk'n stupid can you be. :rolleyes:

Good thing they were good enough to play b-ball at a major university with a free ride ......judging....there isn't much gray matter processing going on to let them do anything else.

Shhhhhessssssssh.

I agree with every word of your post. 

 

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If they committed a crime they should be held responsible.

That said, they are US citizens and we should do what we can to get them home.

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6 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

If they committed a crime they should be held responsible.

That said, they are US citizens and we should do what we can to get them home.

The State Department should work for the release of people like the woman in Zimbabwe who was recently jailed and released for a tweet about Mugabe. People who commit actual crimes should serve their sentences (within reason).

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39 minutes ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

 

The State Department should work for the release of people like the woman in Zimbabwe who was recently jailed and released for a tweet about Mugabe. People who commit actual crimes should serve their sentences (within reason).

So... we're just going to take the Communist Chinese government's word for it?

Even Americans who commit misdemeanor shoplifting violations  are still American citizens.

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15 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

So... we're just going to take the Communist Chinese government's word for it?

Even Americans who commit misdemeanor shoplifting violations  are still American citizens.

I would have to defer to the video 

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21 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

Even Americans who commit misdemeanor shoplifting violations  are still American citizens.

So what?  That doesn't give them cart blanche to act like idiots and commit crimes.  I don't care what country you come from, if you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime.

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56 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

So... we're just going to take the Communist Chinese government's word for it?

Even Americans who commit misdemeanor shoplifting violations  are still American citizens.

Apparently it's on security video footage.  As American citizens they should represent the country better.  The government should not lift a finger to help them in any way.  If it's questionable the way the people who were jailed in Iran and accused of being spies, or the incident from NK, the government should intervene.  In this case it appears pretty obvious what happened.  Let them deal with the Chinese justice system.   Our government should not be pulling any strings to help people who have willingly committed crimes in foreign lands any more than other countries should demand that we turn over citizens of their country if they break laws in our country.  

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9 hours ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

 

The State Department should work for the release of people like the woman in Zimbabwe who was recently jailed and released for a tweet about Mugabe. People who commit actual crimes should serve their sentences (within reason).

This one? I'd say so.

American Woman Faces Charges In Zimbabwe Over Tweets About Mugabe

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/10/563285405/american-woman-faces-charges-in-zimbabwe-over-tweets-about-mugabe

Amnesty International has called for the "absurd" charges against O'Donovan to be dropped immediately. "We fear she will not be the last to be swept up in the clampdown on social media platforms. We are calling on the Zimbabwean authorities to stop punishing people simply for exercising their freedom of expression. Social media users must not end up in jail simply for sharing their opinions."

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11 hours ago, Jimmy Jazz said:

 

The State Department should work for the release of people like the woman in Zimbabwe who was recently jailed and released for a tweet about Mugabe. People who commit actual crimes should serve their sentences (within reason).

 

2 hours ago, Sprightly said:

This one? I'd say so.

American Woman Faces Charges In Zimbabwe Over Tweets About Mugabe

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/10/563285405/american-woman-faces-charges-in-zimbabwe-over-tweets-about-mugabe

Amnesty International has called for the "absurd" charges against O'Donovan to be dropped immediately. "We fear she will not be the last to be swept up in the clampdown on social media platforms. We are calling on the Zimbabwean authorities to stop punishing people simply for exercising their freedom of expression. Social media users must not end up in jail simply for sharing their opinions."

There is a thread on that.

 

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Otto Warmbier was arrested for a minor theft in North Korea.  Now he's dead.

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18 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

If they committed a crime they should be held responsible.

That said, they are US citizens and we should do what we can to get them home.

Being held responsible means they have to face the punishment there for what they are accused of doing if found guilty. 

American citizens or not, shoplifting is wrong and whatever consequences they face because of their actions are self-inflicted.

If guilty, they're not only thieves.  They're thieves who are very stupid for doing something like that in an authoritarian country like the PRC. 

 

 

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Just now, Ode2Joy said:

Being held responsible means they have to face the punishment there for what they are accused of doing if found guilty. 

American citizens or not, shoplifting is wrong and whatever consequences they face because of their actions is self-inflicted.

If guilty, they're not only thieves.  They're thieves who are very stupid for doing something like that in an authoritarian country like the PRC. 

 

 

I hope you will agree that torturing them to death is cruel and unusual punishment.

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5 minutes ago, hst2 said:

I hope you will agree that torturing them to death is cruel and unusual punishment.

Sure.  We're all thinking that's probable.

Don't hyperventilate waiting for it to happen.

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11 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

So... we're just going to take the Communist Chinese government's word for it?

Even Americans who commit misdemeanor shoplifting violations  are still American citizens.

No of course not. I would expect State to monitor the proceedings and to intervene if it becomes clear that this is a case of ‘railroad the Americans simply because they’re Americsns’. To my knowledge, the Chinese government doesn’t engage in that kind of hostage taking behavior though.

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Funny.

 

Didn't see the same angst when that kid went to NK and took a poster that hailed little kim as a souvenir.

 

I think some actually thought he deserved it.

The difference between these two cases other than the color of the guilty?

 

 

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3 minutes ago, jonsensback said:

Funny.

 

Didn't see the same angst when that kid went to NK and took a poster that hailed little kim as a souvenir.

 

I think some actually thought he deserved it.

The difference between these two cases other than the color of the guilty?

 

 

Kim Jung-un is engaged in an ongoing insult exchange with President Trump.  He sees to have fans on here as a result.  That's my guess. 

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Such a shame it was LiAngelo Ball and not his old man.  Although, the Chinese would probably tire of him after a week and send him back.

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1 hour ago, Ode2Joy said:

Kim Jung-un is engaged in an ongoing insult exchange with President Trump.  He sees to have fans on here as a result.  That's my guess. 

That's a pretty good guess for some.

 

Not to mention that kid in NK was brutalized beyond believe and ended up dead in the end as a vegetable.

 

Doubt it will be the case for the Bballers. They will be out by New Years and be hailed as hero's.

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49 minutes ago, Thirteen said:

Such a shame it was LiAngelo Ball and not his old man.  Although, the Chinese would probably tire of him after a week and send him back.

True .....

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7 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

This thread will be short lived. 

Don't you worry, the Don asked the President to help resolve the situation!

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20 hours ago, JoyinMudville said:

If they committed a crime they should be held responsible.

That said, they are US citizens and we should do what we can to get them home.

Why? They broke the law in a foreign country. Let them pay the penalty for doing so. 

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