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1 minute ago, DayWalker said:

But are we talking about a call that was made and the flag waved off for 12?   A bad call is one thing but not being able to count is another matter, especially if a flag was thrown for that but waved off.  Or do I have what happened all wrong?  School a vamp.  :confused:

Jets v Patriots? Super slo-mo? No replay in HS. Bad calls are part of every HS football game. Sometimes they go your way and sometimes they don't but over course of 48 minutes they usually even out. It is what is. 

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I agree that one call makes or breaks a game, but when the only touchdown scored is 12 on 11, it has to be a tough pill for Walkersville to swallow.  I am sure they were confused about where to align. That is a huge advantage for the offense. 

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45 minutes ago, Oil Can said:

Bad calls are part of every HS football game. 

This is a TERRIBLE excuse.

A ridiculous amount of murders are a part of Baltimore City every year... should the city just let a couple more slide because its just what happens here?

With the inability to have replays in High School, HS referees almost need to be just as good, if not better, than the pros.  Even with replays at the next level, most penalties cannot be reviewed.  However, the number of players on the field at the time of the snap is one of them.

I haven't seen the video of the Damascus/Walkersville game yet, but if that touchdown was for sure 12 on 11, every official that worked that game should never be allowed to work another playoff game.  Who cares if Damascus was only 12 yards away? Referees can call an official time-out at any time to count the personnel on the field... What if it was 3rd & Goal from the 12?  A situation changes play calling drastically in some cases.  What if they don't convert after the penalty is marked off and are forced to kick a Field Goal?

One HUGE issue with referees in this area is their "that penalty wasn't in my area" excuse when confronted for keeping a flag in their pocket when they saw the infraction occur.  Referees here use it ALL THE TIME.  There is NO rule that forces referees to only throw flags on their side of the field.  My assistant principal of the school that I work at is also a long time referee and said it himself.  I read an article on "officiating philosophy" not long ago mentioning that referees choose not to throw flags on the opposite end of the field of the direction that the play is going because its not demonstrating an "advantage gained" situation because of the infraction.  This does NOT mean that a referee that sees a blatant hold/horsecollar/etc. on the opposite end of the field when the play is going that same way shouldn't throw that flag.

Now here we are, in the state playoffs... for the regional championship... deciding whether a team goes to the state semi-finals or packs it up and calls it a season...  and the officiating in some instances is getting WORSE than Week 1.  The MPSSAA takes the gate money for every state playoff game... shouldn't they be using that money to make sure that they have the most qualified officials working these games?

 

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14 hours ago, DayWalker said:

But are we talking about a call that was made and the flag waved off for 12?   A bad call is one thing but not being able to count is another matter, especially if a flag was thrown for that but waved off.  Or do I have what happened all wrong?  School a vamp.  :confused:

DW you are correct on that but DMass with 12 guys also lined up in an illegal formation. So they could have flagged either foul

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18 minutes ago, OldBallCoach said:

DW you are correct on that but DMass with 12 guys also lined up in an illegal formation. So they could have flagged either foul

Yes, there were two fouls on that play, with the illegal formation just as egrigious as the 12 men were. 

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20 minutes ago, OldBallCoach said:

DW you are correct on that but DMass with 12 guys also lined up in an illegal formation. So they could have flagged either foul

 

1 minute ago, themamba said:

Yes, there were two fouls on that play, with the illegal formation just as egrigious as the 12 men were. 

Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear when The DayWalker asked to school a vamp rather than some oil slick rejoinder of essentially shyte happens....

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In the heat of the moment the crew couldn't do simple math.  Both officials threw their flags for illegal formation. They were overruled because it was determined  that seven players were on the LOS. Problem is 5 were in the backfield. Unfortunate, as it was one of the best High School games I've witnessed. Two old school, smash mouth, small town, evenly matched teams. Fun atmosphere. As with all games, this was not the only call in question, but that's the game of football. 

Playoff format does need to change, as these two really should have met in Annapolis for the Championship. 

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1 minute ago, Oldtime said:

In the heat of the moment the crew couldn't do simple math.  Both officials threw their flags for illegal formation. They were overruled because it was determined  that seven players were on the LOS. Problem is 5 were in the backfield. Unfortunate, as it was one of the best High School games I've witnessed. Two old school, smash mouth, small town, evenly matched teams. Fun atmosphere. As with all games, this was not the only call in question, but that's the game of football. 

Playoff format does need to change, as these two really should have met in Annapolis for the Championship. 

Up standing game comment Oldtimer.  I expected you to go all homer nothing to see here but you called it as it was, good.  However, the playoff format DOES NOT need to change merely 'cause you feel these two should have met in the finals.  The region format help insure the prime directive that all areas of the state would have an interest in the state championship route and that mission is fulfilled rather than the few dense pockets around the .state hogging everything.  Besides, a couple other teams like Gwynn Park and Harford Tech would probably say hold on a second to your clear conjecture that they are not worthy to be champions. 

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31 minutes ago, DayWalker said:

Up standing game comment Oldtimer.  I expected you to go all homer nothing to see here but you called it as it was, good.  However, the playoff format DOES NOT need to change merely 'cause you feel these two should have met in the finals.  The region format help insure the prime directive that all areas of the state would have an interest in the state championship route and that mission is fulfilled rather than the few dense pockets around the .state hogging everything.  Besides, a couple other teams like Gwynn Park and Harford Tech would probably say hold on a second to your clear conjecture that they are not worthy to be champions. 

I agree don’t think the format needs to change works pretty well. No matter how you do it somebody’s going to get left out I think they should go. That’s the fun of the playoff system. We do need better officiating that is without a doubtI agree don’t think the format needs to change works pretty well. No matter how you do it somebody’s going to get left out I think they should go. That’s the fun of the playoff system. We do need better officiating that is without a doubt

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41 minutes ago, DayWalker said:

Up standing game comment Oldtimer.  I expected you to go all homer nothing to see here but you called it as it was, good.  However, the playoff format DOES NOT need to change merely 'cause you feel these two should have met in the finals.  The region format help insure the prime directive that all areas of the state would have an interest in the state championship route and that mission is fulfilled rather than the few dense pockets around the .state hogging everything.  Besides, a couple other teams like Gwynn Park and Harford Tech would probably say hold on a second to your clear conjecture that they are not worthy to be champions. 

I'm all for having equal representation from across the state. My suggestion would be to get rid of the current regional format and go to a 1-16 seeding. This would really award the point system. Current system has too many weak regions with teams making the playoffs that really don't deserve to be in. 

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18 minutes ago, OldBallCoach said:

I agree don’t think the format needs to change works pretty well. No matter how you do it somebody’s going to get left out I think they should go. That’s the fun of the playoff system. We do need better officiating that is without a doubtI agree don’t think the format needs to change works pretty well. No matter how you do it somebody’s going to get left out I think they should go. That’s the fun of the playoff system. We do need better officiating that is without a doubt

I agree. Play who is in front of you. I've always had a motto, - Don't ever, ever, ever, duck that bump'. Or want to. Thats not what champs are made of.

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11 minutes ago, Oldtime said:

I'm all for having equal representation from across the state. My suggestion would be to get rid of the current regional format and go to a 1-16 seeding. This would really award the point system. Current system has too many weak regions with teams making the playoffs that really don't deserve to be in. 

If you get rid of the region format, then you will do away with the across the state representation OT.  It's the wet that comes with the water and the top 1 - 16 would end up with essentially the big densely populated dominating things and many small towns or across the bay bridge teams left out.  Your so-called "weak team" matching the playoff is inclusion; across the board interest in the playoffs from around the state.  A good side affect of the regional format.

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27 minutes ago, DayWalker said:

If you get rid of the region format, then you will do away with the across the state representation OT.  It's the wet that comes with the water and the top 1 - 16 would end up with essentially the big densely populated dominating things and many small towns or across the bay bridge teams left out.  Your so-called "weak team" matching the playoff is inclusion; across the board interest in the playoffs from around the state.  A good side affect of the regional format.

Not to mention, as we've gone over dozens of times, the cost involved in a boatload more of cross-state games. With budgets being cut, jv games being slashed, I don't see it happening. I think everyone paying attention to Maryland high school football, understands, or believes, that those are the two best teams in 2A (I have had them #2 and #3 in the MPSSAA, overall, for the majority of the season).

Doesn't bother me that they play 2 rounds earlier, out their way. There were several years, back in the day, where only 1 of 2 undefeateds had to battle just for a berth, when Oakland Mills and Wilde Lake would battle in week 10 in Columbia. We knew what we had to do before the season, go undefeated, which meant beating Wilde Lake, and not allow inteference (thinking both of us should be in), as we focused on our goal, no matter who may think its unfair.

Beat who was in front of us, then and there. The local venues add to the spectacle. To me, much moreso than in a cavernous stadium. I'd rather watch QO-NW in Gaithersburg, or Fort Hill-Allegany in Greenway, then anywhere else, if I were to have to choose.

I get it, I rank teams every year, and realize the numbers don't always add up with the stage, but Greenway or the Cougar Dome is stage enough, and within earshot and driving distance of their faithful fanatics.

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16 hours ago, bmagic33 said:

This is a TERRIBLE excuse.

A ridiculous amount of murders are a part of Baltimore City every year... should the city just let a couple more slide because its just what happens here?

With the inability to have replays in High School, HS referees almost need to be just as good, if not better, than the pros.  Even with replays at the next level, most penalties cannot be reviewed.  However, the number of players on the field at the time of the snap is one of them.

I haven't seen the video of the Damascus/Walkersville game yet, but if that touchdown was for sure 12 on 11, every official that worked that game should never be allowed to work another playoff game.  Who cares if Damascus was only 12 yards away? Referees can call an official time-out at any time to count the personnel on the field... What if it was 3rd & Goal from the 12?  A situation changes play calling drastically in some cases.  What if they don't convert after the penalty is marked off and are forced to kick a Field Goal?

One HUGE issue with referees in this area is their "that penalty wasn't in my area" excuse when confronted for keeping a flag in their pocket when they saw the infraction occur.  Referees here use it ALL THE TIME.  There is NO rule that forces referees to only throw flags on their side of the field.  My assistant principal of the school that I work at is also a long time referee and said it himself.  I read an article on "officiating philosophy" not long ago mentioning that referees choose not to throw flags on the opposite end of the field of the direction that the play is going because its not demonstrating an "advantage gained" situation because of the infraction.  This does NOT mean that a referee that sees a blatant hold/horsecollar/etc. on the opposite end of the field when the play is going that same way shouldn't throw that flag.

Now here we are, in the state playoffs... for the regional championship... deciding whether a team goes to the state semi-finals or packs it up and calls it a season...  and the officiating in some instances is getting WORSE than Week 1.  The MPSSAA takes the gate money for every state playoff game... shouldn't they be using that money to make sure that they have the most qualified officials working these games?

 

Nationals v Cubs. Weiters is hit in the head with the bat. Rule is clear. Dead ball. Weiters and Baker question the ruling. They do not go to NY for a clarification. 6 umpires on the field did not know the rule. 2 runs score after the blown call and Nationals lose by one. Joe Yankee admits 2 weeks later that they blew the call. Thats a MLB playoff game w professional umpires and a dozen cameras. Were talking HS football here. Calls are blown every game. W had 48 minutes to score a touchdown to make that call moot but they couldn't. D advances. Get over it.

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3 hours ago, Oldtime said:

In the heat of the moment the crew couldn't do simple math.  Both officials threw their flags for illegal formation. They were overruled because it was determined  that seven players were on the LOS. Problem is 5 were in the backfield. Unfortunate, as it was one of the best High School games I've witnessed. Two old school, smash mouth, small town, evenly matched teams. Fun atmosphere. As with all games, this was not the only call in question, but that's the game of football. 

Playoff format does need to change, as these two really should have met in Annapolis for the Championship. 

Old timer has weighed in on the blown call. How bout the 2 players D picked up in the off season?

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4 minutes ago, Oil Can said:

 How bout the 2 players D picked up in the off season?

Refugees from the Urbana debacle from last year.  

Over the past 2 seasons at least 5 players transferred to other schools.

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41 minutes ago, nomad974 said:

Refugees from the Urbana debacle from last year.  

Over the past 2 seasons at least 5 players transferred to other schools.

Oh, ok. So if your HS isnt very good you can go to another one?

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29 minutes ago, Oil Can said:

Oh, ok. So if your HS isnt very good you can go to another one?

In Urbana's case it went much further than wins and losses.  

Google "Urbana football resignation".  Then speak to some of your contacts.  I think afterwards you may understand why some people wanted to get as far away from the situation as possible.

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31 minutes ago, Oil Can said:

MoCo much better at speed cameras than census.

Oil Can, Agree about the Speed Cameras. There are in places that make absolutely no sense other than to raise revenue. Country roads with 25 MPH for a half mile? It's a scam. 

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2 minutes ago, 58Colts said:

Oil Can, Agree about the Speed Cameras. There are in places that make absolutely no sense other than to raise revenue. Country roads with 25 MPH for a half mile? It's a scam. 

:D  :D  Yep, a vamp got a speed camera ticket, not having a ticket of any kind for over 10-years, going to a game at Gaithersburg somewhere along that main drag or abouts.....  And a vamp is invisible to photography so MoCo cams are very good.

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