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http://www.espn.com/blog/baltimore-orioles/post/_/id/1647/every-o-must-go-after-losing-zach-britton-its-time-for-orioles-to-trade-manny-machado

Every O must go: After losing Zach Britton, it's time for Orioles to trade Manny Machado

here are a few excerpts from the story:

Do the O’s stand a greater-than-zero chance of signing Machado a year from now? Sure. But it’s hard to imagine them, or any other team, really, competing with the Yankees, who seemingly removed themselves from next winter’s Bryce Harper sweepstakes when they traded for Giancarlo Stanton earlier this month. Now, when next offseason rolls around, the Yanks can focus their attention (and dollars) on Machado, who grew up worshiping fellow Dominican-American Alex Rodriguez, wears the same number as the former Yankee (13), and would have the opportunity to play the same position that Rodriguez once manned in New York, a city that’s teeming with proud Dominican heritage.

Do the O’s stand a greater-than-zero chance of reaching the World Series next season? Sure. But it’s hard to imagine them, or any other team not named the Astros or Indians, competing with the Yankees. After all, Baltimore’s starting pitching was absolutely brutal last season, to the tune of a league-worst 5.70 ERA. And that was without having to face Stanton 19 times. Now that the former Marlins slugger is in the AL East, an ERA north of six seems entirely attainable for a perilously thin O’s rotation that features Dylan Bundy, Kevin Gausman, and … um … did I mention Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman? Even if Duquette and skipper Buck Showalter manage to once again do their smoke-and-mirrors thing and finagle a rotation that somehow keeps the team in games, the lineup is still one-dimensional, the defense is still average at best, and the bullpen -- long a strength that masked the rotation’s weakness -- isn’t what it once was, not without Britton.

All of which is to say, the Orioles need to act now. Not just with Machado, but with all their chips. When teams call on Brad Brach, whether it’s now or in July, listen. When teams call on Adam Jones, listen. When teams make better offers for Machado, listen. Listen like a team that knows it has a poor track record of drafting and developing starting pitchers. Listen like a team that, whether it’s because of financial constraints or because of a small park that scares prospective pitchers away, knows it has trouble seducing starters via free agency. Listen like a team that knows its best bet to acquire pitching is through a trade for talented arms that have already been identified and developed by other organizations, and that belong to controllable players who have no choice as to where they work. Listen long, listen carefully and act.

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Good advice that the organization is unlikely to heed.

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So basically no one can compete with the Yankees and must assume the Yankees will sign their free agents.  Baseball writers must be happy they can go back to this type of coverage after a few years of non-Yankee teams having the audacity to compete in the AL.  :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, ivanbalt said:

So basically no one can compete with the Yankees and must assume the Yankees will sign their free agents.  Baseball writers must be happy they can go back to this type of coverage after a few years of non-Yankee teams having the audacity to compete in the AL.  :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly. I don't disagree with the heed to rebuild. But this "Fear the Yankees" stuff is boring. 

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2 hours ago, ivanbalt said:

So basically no one can compete with the Yankees and must assume the Yankees will sign their free agents.  Baseball writers must be happy they can go back to this type of coverage after a few years of non-Yankee teams having the audacity to compete in the AL.  :rolleyes:

I agree, this is the way the media wants it. NY and BOS dueling it out and everyone else left in the dust.

 

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12 hours ago, Evil Yoda said:

Good advice that the organization is unlikely to heed.

At this point, it is clearly Angelos. DD has many flaws but this is not on him.

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4 hours ago, dshawg1 said:

At this point, it is clearly Angelos. DD has many flaws but this is not on him.

It has to be Angelos. They have failed pretty consistently, albeit in various ways, for two decades. There have been many general managers, field managers, coaches, minor league instructors, scouts, players... but only one owner.

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3 hours ago, Evil Yoda said:

It has to be Angelos. They have failed pretty consistently, albeit in various ways, for two decades. There have been many general managers, field managers, coaches, minor league instructors, scouts, players... but only one owner.

Yep, agree.  I've been critical of both DD and Buck and actually defended Pete for spending good payroll.  But its become clear to me with Pete's veto action he is the problem. He is a blooming idiot when it comes to running a ball club.  He couldn't make a tough decision if it bit him on the arse.  This team is the joke of MLB.  

Actually like many have said for years, Pete is the problem, the big problem,  He owns 90% of this dysfunction at a minimum.

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48 minutes ago, CROUSEMAN said:

Actually like many have said for years, Pete is the problem, the big problem,  He owns 90% of this dysfunction at a minimum.

One might go on at length cataloguing his mistakes, but why waste the effort? Just understand that the Orioles will never compete on the field while he owns them. He'll make a lot of dough, though. And that's apparently all that matters to him.

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If this team can't figure out how to win with a core of

Schoop

Machado

Mancini

Jones

Cisco

Bundy

Brach

Gausman

Davis

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then there's no hope for them ever period caput.

 

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58 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

If this team can't figure out how to win with a core of...

There are 2-3 starting pitchers missing from that list. It's unclear whether Bundy has the endurance to pitch for a full season, or whether Gausman can figure out how to pitch consistently. You've listed a good start but it's rather incomplete. Davis may never hit well again; we will see in a few months I suppose. When Buck had a good bullpen, including some guys he could put on the Norfolk train, they could afford a crap starting rotation. Last year's bullpen showed why that isn't a good long term solution.

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2 hours ago, Evil Yoda said:

There are 2-3 starting pitchers missing from that list. It's unclear whether Bundy has the endurance to pitch for a full season, or whether Gausman can figure out how to pitch consistently. You've listed a good start but it's rather incomplete. Davis may never hit well again; we will see in a few months I suppose. When Buck had a good bullpen, including some guys he could put on the Norfolk train, they could afford a crap starting rotation. Last year's bullpen showed why that isn't a good long term solution.

You beat me to it. 

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21 hours ago, Evil Yoda said:

There are 2-3 starting pitchers missing from that list. It's unclear whether Bundy has the endurance to pitch for a full season, or whether Gausman can figure out how to pitch consistently. You've listed a good start but it's rather incomplete. Davis may never hit well again; we will see in a few months I suppose. When Buck had a good bullpen, including some guys he could put on the Norfolk train, they could afford a crap starting rotation. Last year's bullpen showed why that isn't a good long term solution.

Right... so any other team with similar revenue would go out and get two solid starters

the fact that the o’s haven’t been able to figure this out speaks volumes

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46 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

Right... so any other team with similar revenue would go out and get two solid starters

the fact that the o’s haven’t been able to figure this out speaks volumes

Angelos doesn't believe in pitching, which may be why Buck is trying to win with slugging. Unfortunately, that has failed.

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On 12/21/2017 at 7:12 PM, JoyinMudville said:

If this team can't figure out how to win with a core of

Schoop

Machado

Mancini

Jones

Cisco

Bundy

Brach

Gausman

Davis

---

 

then there's no hope for them ever period caput.

 

Well, when you put Big Dan and Peter Angelos’s brain together...

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An owner who thinks he knows more than the baseball minds.  We continue to see the results.

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