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Does the White Working Class Really Vote Against Its Own Interests?

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18 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

And flat wages are linked to having no marketable skills obtained through education or vocational training and competition from people who come here illegally.   

When you have entire schools that don't even have a single student that can pass a proficiency exam in math, it's a blueprint for continued failure and poverty, as are dysfunctional or nonexistent families. 

 

 

Wages have been fairly flat nationwide for decades.  Shocking that unions have also been disappearing during that time period.  Workers have no protection from layoffs and substandard compensation.  Do you find it interesting that in light of the corporate tax cuts, companies were taking the path of bonuses for workers?  Why not increase wages instead of a one-time bonus considering their tax cuts are permanent?  Oh wait, the workers must be unskilled and under educated due to their dysfunctional families so no permanent increase.  Maybe next year.  :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, ivanbalt said:

Wages have been fairly flat nationwide for decades.  Shocking that unions have also been disappearing during that time period.  Workers have no protection from layoffs and substandard compensation.  Do you find it interesting that in light of the corporate tax cuts, companies were taking the path of bonuses for workers?  Why not increase wages instead of a one-time bonus considering their tax cuts are permanent?  Oh wait, the workers must be unskilled and under educated due to their dysfunctional families so no permanent increase.  Maybe next year.  :rolleyes:

Workers in some professions, like construction or landscaping or roofing, are in competition with many illegals who will work for far less.  You can pull into any Home Depot or Lowes, even convenience store parking lots around the city, and see workers, almost all of who Hispanic (Yes, I'm profiling there based on appearance and also believe that I am right) and find day workers who are also competing for work and willing to do it under the table. 

Increasing wages for those types of jobs only ensures more work for those who work illegally or for less money. 

If you are talking about jobs that require unskilled labor or very few skills, then you are also working toward eliminating those jobs when they can be replaced through automation or as in many stores now have, self service checkout. 

Certain professions that require higher education and skills, like in the medical profession or certain vocational skills like those of electricians and some kinds of mechanics, etc. are in high demand and the pay they get in order to hire and retain them reflects that.

Some unions also want what you propose despite starting to disappear also want others to get higher minimum wages because their wages are often tied to a corresponding increase in relation to prevailing local or minimum wages.   

Of course all workers are not unskilled or under-educated due to their dysfunctional families, but those who are without a doubt not going to wind up in well-paying jobs or careers without skills or education.  In Baltimore City, some of the schools have been graduating people who are illiterate, grades have been falsified according to reports, and it's reported that six or so schools have not a single student who can pass proficiency exams.

Working class families, white, black, and everything else, often move because of city schools because they understand the importance of education.

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2 hours ago, Marshan Man said:

Cities like Baltimore can only vote for the candidates that are available. Something tells me if everyone suddenly stopped voting in protest you'd have a problem with that too.  :rolleyes: 

Baltimore is Democrat paradise from top to bottom, lock, stock, and barrel.  I think the majority of city voters know what they're voting for and in return, they too deserve the results if that's what they want. 

Do you think they're stupid? 

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2 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

Baltimore is Democrat paradise from top to bottom, lock, stock, and barrel.  I think the majority of city voters know what they're voting for and in return, they too deserve the results if that's what they want. 

Do you think they're stupid? 

What does "know what they're voting for" mean? Either way it doesn't negate the fact that they can only vote for who's on the ballot.  NYC is dem through and through as well. They voted for Giuliani when he was still sane. 

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22 minutes ago, Marshan Man said:

What does "know what they're voting for" mean? Either way it doesn't negate the fact that they can only vote for who's on the ballot.  NYC is dem through and through as well. They voted for Giuliani when he was still sane. 

They have primary elections.  They have candidates' positions publicized on radio and the newspaper.  NYC has had Democrat and Republican officials.  Baltimore doesn't.  It's a one party government. 

Saying that they know what they're voting for gives them the benefit of the doubt.  They're stupid if they don't know what they're voting for after all this time.   

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3 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

They have primary elections.  They have candidates' positions publicized on radio and the newspaper.  NYC has had Democrat and Republican officials.  Baltimore doesn't.  It's a one party government. 

Saying that they know what they're voting for gives them the benefit of the doubt.  They're stupid if they don't know what they're voting for after all this time.   

So who should they vote for? What's the alternative? Should they not vote? Would not voting be acceptable to Ms. Ode?

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On 1/2/2018 at 9:41 PM, Saticon3 said:

maybe those that seemingly vote "against their own self-interest" are actually quite magnanimous in doing so, voting in favor of those that will try to put forth policies that will benefit the country and economy as a whole rather than just their own narrow lot. 

Now there's a good laugh.

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On 1/2/2018 at 9:41 PM, Saticon3 said:

maybe those that seemingly vote "against their own self-interest" are actually quite magnanimous in doing so, voting in favor of those that will try to put forth policies that will benefit the country and economy as a whole rather than just their own narrow lot. 

So you think the poor in the hollers of WV voted for republicans who want to get rid of the one thing they need most,... health care, so that the rich can get richer so that they can give another person in Michigan a job a flipping burgers @ 7 bucks an hour? Cute!

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