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Money laundering is the more serious charge.

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Bannon, in his interviews with Wolff, has invited us to consider the families of Trump and his son-in-law Jared Kushner as possible targets of a significant federal money-laundering investigation.

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Is Steve Bannon a crank?  Yes.  That doesn't mean he does't know where some of the bodies are buried.   This is all speculation right now but considering Manafort is in trouble over financial deals, if the president was involved those deals then he is in trouble.   It is not Russian collusion but money laundering is a serious crime.   An impeachable one.

It is curious that Trump told Mueller to stay out of his business dealings.   In this context, it is like telling the police not to check your basement for that missing person.  

Other things to consider.   Manafort was allegedly doing his shady dealings with Russia using banks in Cyprus.  One might recall that back in 2012 the Cyprus banks ran into some trouble in regards to leftover problems from the Greek debt crisis.   Do you remember who bailed out the Cyprus banks?   It was Russia.   Why?  The rumor in plain sight is that this is where the Russian kleptocracy launders its money.  So if Manafort was doing business with the Russians in Cyprus then there is realistic expectation that such deals were illegal.  All the dots haven't been connected but if they do then some people are in a world of trouble.  

  

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It was the Greek debt problem, not the housing crisis, that got Cyprus banks in trouble

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If they are found guilty of a crime then Lock Them Up! 

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11 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

The short version:

The longer version.

Is Steve Bannon a crank?  Yes.  That doesn't mean he does't know where some of the bodies are buried.   This is all speculation right now but considering Manafort is in trouble over financial deals, if the president was involved those deals then he is in trouble.   It is not Russian collusion but money laundering is a serious crime.   An impeachable one.

It is curious that Trump told Mueller to stay out of his business dealings.   In this context, it is like telling the police not to check your basement for that missing person.  

Other things to consider.   Manafort was allegedly doing his shady dealings with Russia using banks in Cyprus.  One might recall that back in 2012 the Cyprus banks ran into some trouble in regards to leftover problems from the housing crisis.   Do you remember who bailed out the Cyprus banks?   It was Russia.   Why?  The rumor in plain sight is that this is where the Russian kleptocracy launders its money.  So if Manafort was doing business with the Russians in Cyprus then there is realistic expectation that such deals were illegal.  All the dots haven't been connected but if they do then some people are in a world of trouble.  

  

If you look at the legal team Mueller has brought it, it's clear that's where he's headed.

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I’ve long believed that it’s more likely that Trump or Kushner will be charged with crimes related to their shady business dealings than conspiracy to collude with Russia in the election...

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6 minutes ago, soulflower said:

I’ve long believed that it’s more likely that Trump or Kushner will be charged with crimes related to their shady business dealings than conspiracy to collude with Russia in the election...

I agree BUT all I've got is speculation and some very obvious dots to connect.  I have an obvious problem of having to believe Bannon for this to be true.  He is just as shady and off his rocker as the rest of the dumpster fire.  So it could just be the stench of dumpster fire and nothing more serious.  

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11 minutes ago, soulflower said:

I’ve long believed that it’s more likely that Trump or Kushner will be charged with crimes related to their shady business dealings than conspiracy to collude with Russia in the election...

Seems Bannon believes both scenarios are true.

 

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6 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

I agree BUT all I've got is speculation and some very obvious dots to connect.  I have an obvious problem of having to believe Bannon for this to be true.  He is just as shady and off his rocker as the rest of the dumpster fire.  So it could just be the stench of dumpster fire and nothing more serious.  

Well Trump’s real estate business is directly connected to FBI informant and Russian mob-connected Felix Sater. It was Sater and Michael Cohen who were working on the Trump hotel project in Moscow. 

Kushner’s family has a history of shady business dealings. His dad actually went to prison. 

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15 minutes ago, soulflower said:

I’ve long believed that it’s more likely that Trump or Kushner will be charged with crimes related to their shady business dealings than conspiracy to collude with Russia in the election...

Obstruction of Justice too. 

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4 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Well Trump’s real estate business is directly connected to FBI informant and Russian mob-connected Felix Sater. It was Sater and Michael Cohen who were working on the Trump hotel project in Moscow. 

Kushner’s family has a history of shady business dealings. His dad actually went to prison. 

There are a couple of books out that detail a lot of this stuff. Donny's been crooked for a long time. 

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9 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Well Trump’s real estate business is directly connected to FBI informant and Russian mob-connected Felix Sater. It was Sater and Michael Cohen who were working on the Trump hotel project in Moscow. 

Kushner’s family has a history of shady business dealings. His dad actually went to prison. 

It is a matter of how shady.  It is like Trump's Atlantic City casinos.   He was almost certainly dealing with the Mafia but just how much?   One really can't do big business deals in Atlantic City without tripping over the mob.   The same is true for Russia. 

That said, when you're working with the likes of Sater and Manafort then you'd have to be super naive to not know what is going on.   It is like being shocked about what is going on in the whore house.  

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12 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

It is a matter of how shady.  It is like Trump's Atlantic City casinos.   He was almost certainly dealing with the Mafia but just how much?   One really can't do big business deals in Atlantic City without tripping over the mob.   The same is true for Russia. 

That said, when you're working with the likes of Sater and Manafort then you'd have to be super naive to not know what is going on.   It is like being shocked about what is going on in the whore house.  

The “innocent” explanation for Trump’s Russia connections is that after several bankruptcies he couldn’t get banks in the US to lend him money. So he turned to Russian oligarchs to get loans and investment. 

It’s not surprising that Trump is connected to people with ties to Russian oligarchs or Putin. 

It doesn’t mean he did anything illegal but it wouldn’t surprise me if he did...

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38 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Well Trump’s real estate business is directly connected to FBI informant and Russian mob-connected Felix Sater. It was Sater and Michael Cohen who were working on the Trump hotel project in Moscow. 

Kushner’s family has a history of shady business dealings. His dad actually went to prison. 

So did chelsea's father in law.

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56 minutes ago, soulflower said:

I’ve long believed that it’s more likely that Trump or Kushner will be charged with crimes related to their shady business dealings than conspiracy to collude with Russia in the election...

Mueller's mandate is Russian  collusion  only,  period ,  and there was  none. He has zero authority  to investigate business dealings,  especially before the campaign. 

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2 minutes ago, Duke of Earl said:

Mueller's mandate is Russian  collusion  only,  period ,  and there was  none. He has zero authority  to investigate business dealings,  especially before the campaign. 

:lol:

Hilariously incorrect. 

While his mandate is to uncover any findings of collusion with the Russians, it also includes:

1) prosecutorial powers for any crimes he uncovers, and

2) to report his findings. 

The only question is how long the GOP are willing to hang their hat on this. 

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Damn Russian names.   Rinat Akhmetov is not Rinat Akhmetshin

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4 minutes ago, Duke of Earl said:

Mueller's mandate is Russian  collusion  only,  period ,  and there was  none. He has zero authority  to investigate business dealings,  especially before the campaign. 

Wrong. This premise has been dismissed repeatedly on these forms. 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

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30 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

How to make enemies in Russian and die horribly.

This is where the Magnitsky act comes in and why the Russians want to see it gone.  

Browder is a strange character. He gave up his US citizenship for tax avoidance reasons. 

How much of his “crusade” against Putin’s corruption is driven by his personal business interests? 

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5 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Browder is a strange character. He gave up his US citizenship for tax avoidance reasons. 

How much of his “crusade” against Putin’s corruption is driven by his personal business interests? 

I don't know but Sergei Magnitsky met a pretty brutal end and this isn't anything new for the Russian gangsters.  $230 million is a pretty good motive for murder.

Then there is this little gem, "Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act."

The very same Veselnitskaya of the very ill advised T-jr meeting.   Surprisingly unexpected, who else was at that meeting?   Manafort.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, SemiAuto said:

I don't know but Sergei Magnitsky met a pretty brutal end and this isn't anything new for the Russian gangsters.  $230 million is a pretty good motive for murder.

Then there is this little gem, "Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act."

The very same Veselnitskaya of the very ill advised T-jr meeting.   Surprisingly unexpected, who else was at that meeting?   Manafort.  

 

 

I don’t know a whole lot about the Magnitsky thing. From what I understand, the circumstances of how he died are inconclusive because Browder himself has had some inconsistencies in his recounting of the events. 

I agree though that Russia lobbied strongly against the Act. 

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Then there was wiretapped Russian gambling ring in Trump Tower some years ago.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fbi-wiretapped-russian-gambling-ring-headquarted-trump-tower-article-1.3004226 (only because this is the first link that popped up, there are others)

Trump was not investigated in this.  But it ways stuck in my mind through this whole collusion investigation, and every time someone ask "what does Russia have on Trump?".  It just seems like too much of a coincidence to me.

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48 minutes ago, Duke of Earl said:

Mueller's mandate is Russian  collusion  only,  period ,  and there was  none. He has zero authority  to investigate business dealings,  especially before the campaign. 

That's not true. Look at the order setting up the special counsel.

Why would you say something so easily disproved?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3726408-Rosenstein-letter-appointing-Mueller-special.html

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30 minutes ago, SemiAuto said:

I don't know but Sergei Magnitsky met a pretty brutal end and this isn't anything new for the Russian gangsters.  $230 million is a pretty good motive for murder.

Then there is this little gem, "Veselnitskaya, through Baker Hostetler, hired Glenn Simpson of the firm Fusion GPS to conduct a smear campaign against me and Sergei Magnitsky in advance of congressional hearings on the Global Magnitsky Act."

The very same Veselnitskaya of the very ill advised T-jr meeting.   Surprisingly unexpected, who else was at that meeting?   Manafort.  

 

 

As if the Magnitsky stuff isn’t weird enough. Russia is now accusing Browder of having a role in Magnitsky’s death

NYT:

Mr. Browder, who was living in London at the time, began lobbying Western governments to punish those responsible for Mr. Magnitsky’s death, an effort that bore fruit when the United States, Estonia and most recently, Canada, imposed sanctions on Russians involved in Mr. Magnitsky’s death.

That campaign touched off a nasty confrontation with the Kremlin, and the two sides have been trying ever since to undermine the credibility of the other. Recently, however, Russian prosecutors have taken that effort to a remarkable new level, claiming that Mr. Magnitsky was actually murdered by Mr. Browder.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/world/europe/russia-sergei-magnitsky-william-browder.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

At the end of the day, the Sanctions are costing Russia a lot more than $230 million 

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1 hour ago, ms maggie said:

Why would you say something so easily disproved?

That seems to be what all Trump's supporters do. It's like facts are alien to them.

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2 hours ago, Duke of Earl said:

Mueller's mandate is Russian  collusion  only,  period ,  and there was  none. He has zero authority  to investigate business dealings,  especially before the campaign. 

Just follow the money trail.

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