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Video shows apparently incapacitated, half-naked woman put out in cold by Baltimore hospital

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For shame University of Maryland Midtown!! :mad:

 

A Baltimore hospital said it was investigating Wednesday after video posted online showed an apparently incapacitated woman put out in the cold wearing nothing but a hospital gown.

On Wednesday, a man who said he was a psychotherapist and a student at the University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown Campus posted a video of the woman being hustled out of the hospital by staff and left at a bus stop, her possessions strewn on the street. The woman appeared to have a wound on her forehead, and was wearing a hospital gown that was falling off. She grunted and shouted, and appeared to say at one point: “Please help me!”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/01/10/video-shows-apparently-incapacitated-half-naked-woman-put-out-in-cold-by-baltimore-hospital/?utm_term=.b2753c5b9655

Thank you, Imamu Baraka.

 

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"Patient dumping". Sadly, it still happens.

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Good for that gentleman for filming that and exposing the hospital.  Worst hospital in the city.

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Another scar for the city.

Sights like this and others make one wonder if Baltimore isn't in the middle of Latin America.

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28 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

American healthcare!

More like Baltimore makes the news again in the new year. 

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This is a disgrace, somebody should be out of a job.

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1 hour ago, ivanbalt said:

American healthcare!

More like Baltimore healthcare! 

Even if the patient demanded to be released and they couldn't hold her against her will, where are her clothes?  I'm sure she probably had clothes on when they admitted her to the hospital.  She doesn't seem coherent, let alone competent to make decisions in that video.

Just goes to show that not all of Baltimore's problems are due to a lack of education.  Has Baltimore no emergency or protective social services personnel that can work with the University of Maryland Midtown in a case like this?  One phone call should have prevented this. 

UM cannot be allowed to investigate itself in this case.  If they have reasons for why they did what they did as they claim, it needs to come out to explain why four guards escorted that woman outside to dump her on the street in nothing but a hospital gown. 

Somebody gave them that order.

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2 hours ago, ivanbalt said:

American healthcare!

Bull.

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Unfortunately, this takes place in cities all across America. 60 minutes did a story on it years ago. Sadly. the practice still takes place.

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1 hour ago, Ode2Joy said:

More like Baltimore healthcare! 

 

Why Baltimore isn't UM owned by the State of Maryland

 

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11 minutes ago, downunder said:

Why Baltimore isn't UM owned by the State of Maryland

 

While it's correct that Midtown is part of the UMMS, it prides itself as being a stand out for high performing patient care and treatment, including surgical treatment in the city. 

You have a valid point if this is going on throughout the entire UMMS.  I hope it's not. 

This happened in Baltimore.  Others ignore that while claiming that it is typical of "American healthcare". 

The question hinges on who made the order to dismiss the patient like that and whether it is endemic throughout the entire UMMS.

 

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22 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

While it's correct that Midtown is part of the UMMS, it prides itself as being a stand out for high performing patient care and treatment, including surgical treatment in the city. 

You have a valid point if this is going on throughout the entire UMMS.  I hope it's not. 

This happened in Baltimore.  Others ignore that while claiming that it is typical of "American healthcare". 

The question hinges on who made the order to dismiss the patient like that and whether it is endemic throughout the entire UMMS.

 

No one is ignoring it, and it does not only happen in Baltimore, though this incident did.

For all we know, this may be happening every night. It just so happened that there was a person with a cell phone, when it happened to this woman.

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7 minutes ago, naive said:

No one is ignoring it, and it does not only happen in Baltimore, though this incident did.

For all we know, this may be happening every night. It just so happened that there was a person with a cell phone, when it happened to this woman.

It might be happening throughout the entire UMMS, but it also might not be for all we know

If you have proof otherwise, please share it with us instead of stating it as a fact without proof. 

If not, then you're trying to pass off an unsubstantiated guess as a fact when it's really an unsubstantiated guess.

 

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5 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

It might be happening throughout the entire UMMS, but it also might not be for all we know

If you have proof otherwise, please share it with us instead of stating it as a fact without proof. 

If not, then you're trying to pass off an unsubstantiated guess as a fact when it's really an unsubstantiated guess.

 

I know it happens in hospitals all across this country, to the point that it has garnered it's own name. It's called patient dumping.

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12 minutes ago, naive said:

I know it happens in hospitals all across this country, to the point that it has garnered it's own name. It's called patient dumping.

If you know that it's happening throughout the UMMS, then prove it.  Sorry, but that should be easy to prove if it's something you know for a fact and not something you just think is endemic throughout the UMMS. 

You made the claim.  You prove it. 

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2 hours ago, Ode2Joy said:

 

Just goes to show that not all of Baltimore's problems are due to a lack of education.  Has Baltimore no emergency or protective social services personnel that can work with the University of Maryland Midtown in a case like this?  One phone call should have prevented this. 

 

Surely the city does have these services, and their numbers should be prominently posted in every Hospital's Emergency Room and Admitting/Discharge desk.

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Just now, Ode2Joy said:

If you know that it's happening throughout the UMMS, then prove it.  Sorry, but that should be easy to prove if it's something you know for a fact and not something you just think is endemic throughout the UMMS. 

You made the claim.  You prove it. 

I'm not playing your silly game. Look it up.

Even your buddy Michelle Obama was involved in a patient dumping story.

From wiki:

Homeless dumping or patient dumping is the practice of hospitals or emergency services releasing homeless patients on the streets instead of placing them with a homeless shelter or retaining them, especially when they may require expensive medical care with minimal government reimbursement from Medicaid or Medicare.[1][2] Many homeless people who have mental health problems can no longer find a place in a psychiatric hospital since the trend towards mental health deinstitutionalization from the 1960s onwards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_dumping

Some seem to think this is a 1 time only event that happened right here in good Ole B-More.

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3 minutes ago, Struds said:

Surely the city does have these services, and their numbers should be prominently posted in every Hospital's Emergency Room and Admitting/Discharge desk.

They do and the proof is that they took her right back to the hospital.  Hospitals usually don't even let people in her condition walk out on their own or go to the exit without someone taking them there in a wheelchair. 

Heads should roll in this case. 

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2 minutes ago, naive said:

I'm not playing your silly game. Look it up.

Even your buddy Michelle Obama was involved in a patient dumping story.

From wiki:

Homeless dumping or patient dumping is the practice of hospitals or emergency services releasing homeless patients on the streets instead of placing them with a homeless shelter or retaining them, especially when they may require expensive medical care with minimal government reimbursement from Medicaid or Medicare.[1][2] Many homeless people who have mental health problems can no longer find a place in a psychiatric hospital since the trend towards mental health deinstitutionalization from the 1960s onwards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_dumping

Some seem to think this is a 1 time only event that happened right here in good Ole B-More.

I don't take orders from you.  If you're going to make an unsubstantiated claim about the UMMS and pretend that what happened to this woman happens all the time, then YOU look it up.  You're just tossing stuff out there and expecting me and others to take your word as fact.

Sorry.  That ain't gonna happen.  If you're too lazy to put up proof to back up your claims, that's your problem. 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

I don't take orders from you.  If you're going to make an unsubstantiated claim about the UMMS and pretend that what happened to this woman happens all the time, then YOU look it up.  You're just tossing stuff out there and expecting me and others to take your word as fact.

Sorry.  That ain't gonna happen.  If you're too lazy to put up proof to back up your claims, that's your problem. 

 

I've not  mentioned any hospital by name on this thread.

But, like I said, not playing your silly game. This clearly was an isolated incident that has never happened before at UMMS and will never happen again.

Happy now?

Patient dumping is fake news.

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get used to it everyone.  this will be the new normal for all of us once the repugnicans gut our healthcare system and kick millions of ppl out of their coverage.  no insurance, no way to pay your bill immediately?  out on the street you go!

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Another recent story. This story, in no way, has direct affiliation with UMMS.

Local hospitals face a common dilemma as they cope with a growing number of homeless patients. Where do they send people who have no permanent address when they are ready to be released from care? Shelters can be an acceptable option, but only if prior arrangements are made for lodging and care, health specialists said. In many cases, shelter plans are never made or fall by the wayside, administrators and others said.

“Unfortunately, it happens all the time,” said George Kohrummel, assistant director of Friendship Park, the primary gathering place at Loaves & Fishes, which serves meals and provides a variety of other services to some 700 homeless men and women each weekday. At least once a week, a medical transport van, taxi, Lyft or Uber will drop off a newly discharged hospital patient to the complex, he said.

Sometimes, the patients are still in their hospital gowns and slippers, he said. Some are dropped off after Loaves has closed for the day, and arrive without needed wheelchairs, canes and prescriptions. Many are too frail to navigate the streets.


http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article193308479.html

 

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As none of us know what really happened. I will put this out there.  Hospital isn't prison.  She may have just signed herself out and left.  I figure the hospital staff tried to talk her out of it. 

You can't make a person stay if they don't want to, no matter their condition.

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44 minutes ago, naive said:

I've not  mentioned any hospital by name on this thread.

But, like I said, not playing your silly game. This clearly was an isolated incident that has never happened before at UMMS and will never happen again.

Happy now?

Patient dumping is fake news.

 

39 minutes ago, naive said:

Another recent story. This story, in no way, has direct affiliation with UMMS.

Local hospitals face a common dilemma as they cope with a growing number of homeless patients. Where do they send people who have no permanent address when they are ready to be released from care? Shelters can be an acceptable option, but only if prior arrangements are made for lodging and care, health specialists said. In many cases, shelter plans are never made or fall by the wayside, administrators and others said.

“Unfortunately, it happens all the time,” said George Kohrummel, assistant director of Friendship Park, the primary gathering place at Loaves & Fishes, which serves meals and provides a variety of other services to some 700 homeless men and women each weekday. At least once a week, a medical transport van, taxi, Lyft or Uber will drop off a newly discharged hospital patient to the complex, he said.

Sometimes, the patients are still in their hospital gowns and slippers, he said. Some are dropped off after Loaves has closed for the day, and arrive without needed wheelchairs, canes and prescriptions. Many are too frail to navigate the streets.


http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/state/california/article193308479.html

 

This is Locals and that's why we're discussing something that happened locally, at UMd Midtown, and in Maryland.

You're traveling across the country all the way to California because you can't back up your claim that you want to push that this is endemic throughout the UMMS, but can't.  You even said you won't expend the time to do it and yet you expended the time to find an article about another state. 

That tells me that you did try to substantiate your claim about Maryland hospitals and UMMS but came up short so you posted something about somewhere else to try and compensate, hoping it would suffice. 

It doesn't.   

 

 

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