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Video shows apparently incapacitated, half-naked woman put out in cold by Baltimore hospital

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38 minutes ago, overtaxed said:

As none of us know what really happened. I will put this out there.  Hospital isn't prison.  She may have just signed herself out and left.  I figure the hospital staff tried to talk her out of it. 

You can't make a person stay if they don't want to, no matter their condition.

Does anyone want to dispute that? 

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6 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

 

This is Locals and that's why we're discussing something that happened locally, at UMd Midtown, and in Maryland.

You're traveling across the country all the way to California because you can't back up your claim that you want to push that this is endemic throughout the UMMS, but can't.  You even said you won't expend the time to do it and yet you expended the time to find an article about another state. 

That tells me that you did try to substantiate your claim about Maryland hospitals and UMMS but came up short so you posted something about somewhere else to try and compensate, hoping it would suffice. 

It doesn't.   

 

 

I made no claim. Like me, you know absolutely nothing about this case. Quit acting as if you are familiar with the UMMS medical system and their procedures. Like me, you don't know how often this happens there. It could happen each and every night. Go camp out there with a cell phone and let us know what you find.

Like it or not, this is a national news story, as all the networks ran it. Like it or not, what happened in Baltimore happens all too often across this country.

 

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54 minutes ago, overtaxed said:

As none of us know what really happened. I will put this out there.  Hospital isn't prison.  She may have just signed herself out and left.  I figure the hospital staff tried to talk her out of it. 

You can't make a person stay if they don't want to, no matter their condition.

 

15 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

Does anyone want to dispute that? 

I'm surprised you don't. Clearly unsubstantiated, no?

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To address the question of where her clothes were, naked people with mental problems have been found wandering the streets at all hours. Additionally, some are found in soiled clothes. They are taken to the ER by police. We do not know what happened inside the ER. She could have been combative and abusive to the staff.  We just don’t know. We may never know.  However, those security guards should answer up as to who directed them to leave her where they did.  

 

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27 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

However, those security guards should answer up as to who directed them to leave her where they did.

What if she is the one that wanted to leave, and they were attempting to talk her out of it?

Edited by overtaxed

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24 minutes ago, overtaxed said:

What if she is the one that wanted to leave, and they were attempting to talk her out of it?

Would they escort her out the door in 30 deg weather with her hospital gown on and throw her bags on the ground?  She still had her hospital bracelet on I believe. 

 

Man, I can't see how anyone can't see it for what it is.  A disgusting sight and terrible way to treat a human being who was obvious in major distress and there is absolutely no justification.

Edited by jonsensback

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3 hours ago, Ode2Joy said:

While it's correct that Midtown is part of the UMMS, it prides itself as being a stand out for high performing patient care and treatment, including surgical treatment in the city. 

You have a valid point if this is going on throughout the entire UMMS.  I hope it's not. 

This happened in Baltimore.  Others ignore that while claiming that it is typical of "American healthcare". 

The question hinges on who made the order to dismiss the patient like that and whether it is endemic throughout the entire UMMS.

 

UMMC Midtown Campus used to be Maryland General. Wasnt that hospital known as the death hospital? I would imagine that even though UMMC took over Maryland General, most of the employees stayed behind and were adsorbed into the UMMC system. 

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7 hours ago, bogart said:

This is a disgrace, somebody should be out of a job.

And they might be but we'll never hear about it because it's a "personnel matter".

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3 hours ago, naive said:

I'm not playing your silly game. Look it up.

Even your buddy Michelle Obama was involved in a patient dumping story.

From wiki:

Homeless dumping or patient dumping is the practice of hospitals or emergency services releasing homeless patients on the streets instead of placing them with a homeless shelter or retaining them, especially when they may require expensive medical care with minimal government reimbursement from Medicaid or Medicare.[1][2] Many homeless people who have mental health problems can no longer find a place in a psychiatric hospital since the trend towards mental health deinstitutionalization from the 1960s onwards

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_dumping

Some seem to think this is a 1 time only event that happened right here in good Ole B-More.

Sorry pal, but it's not a silly game to demand that people provide proof that supports statements they make.

Supposed for example I accused you of being a pedophile and when you asked for proof I said " Look it up." You'd be OK with that, right?

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2 hours ago, Ode2Joy said:

Does anyone want to dispute that? 

She may, in fact, have signed herself out but that raises the question of why she was only in a gown and socks and why the guards were present.

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2 hours ago, PinkFlamingo said:

To address the question of where her clothes were, naked people with mental problems have been found wandering the streets at all hours. Additionally, some are found in soiled clothes. They are taken to the ER by police. We do not know what happened inside the ER. She could have been combative and abusive to the staff.  We just don’t know. We may never know.  However, those security guards should answer up as to who directed them to leave her where they did.  

 

She could have been in which case the police should have been called.

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10 minutes ago, VOSA said:

She may, in fact, have signed herself out but that raises the question of why she was only in a gown and socks and why the guards were present.

 

6 minutes ago, VOSA said:

She could have been in which case the police should have been called.

I totally agree.

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1 hour ago, AugusteDupin said:

UMMC Midtown Campus used to be Maryland General. Wasnt that hospital known as the death hospital? I would imagine that even though UMMC took over Maryland General, most of the employees stayed behind and were adsorbed into the UMMC system. 

You might be right. 

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8 minutes ago, VOSA said:

She could have been in which case the police should have been called.

What would the police have done...?

Called for an ambulance that would have taken her to the hospital. 

Which is exactly what did happen. 

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18 minutes ago, VOSA said:

Sorry pal, but it's not a silly game to demand that people provide proof that supports statements they make.

Supposed for example I accused you of being a pedophile and when you asked for proof I said " Look it up." You'd be OK with that, right?

You have to first understand...that poster just wants to pick fights as of late.  

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Hopefully we will find out.  She was only 22 years old but the impression I got initially was that she was a much older person because she couldn't answer or speak on that video.  That's still no excuse though.

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10 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

What would the police have done...?

Called for an ambulance that would have taken her to the hospital. 

Which is exactly what did happen. 

If, in fact, she was being combative and abusive to the hospital staff she could have been taken to jail where at least she would be warm.

If the police had to have her taken to a hospital one would hope they would have enough common sense to take her to a different facility.

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15 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

Hopefully we will find out.  She was only 22 years old but the impression I got initially was that she was a much older person because she couldn't answer or speak on that video.  That's still no excuse though.

TWENTY-TWO!!?? holy crap

I thought it was a really elderly person!!

edit: this just came out...explains a couple things:

http://wbaltv.com/article/witness-describes-seeing-woman-before-hospital-discharged-her-into-cold/15063393?src=app

Edited by PinkFlamingo

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5 hours ago, Struds said:

Surely the city does have these services, and their numbers should be prominently posted in every Hospital's Emergency Room and Admitting/Discharge desk.

It does. And they do. And apparently, no one bothered.

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1 hour ago, VOSA said:

Sorry pal, but it's not a silly game to demand that people provide proof that supports statements they make.

Supposed for example I accused you of being a pedophile and when you asked for proof I said " Look it up." You'd be OK with that, right?

Sorry pops, but you must of missed this post I made. 

“This clearly was an isolated incident that has never happened before at UMMS and will never happen again.”

I coined the phrase “ Patient Dumping “,as it seemed fitting to this single incident.

The links I provided are all fake news.

My bad.

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1 hour ago, Ode2Joy said:

Hopefully we will find out.  She was only 22 years old but the impression I got initially was that she was a much older person because she couldn't answer or speak on that video.  That's still no excuse though.

How do her parents feel? Worried sick, you think?

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While I disagree with this practice, it is not the hospital’s obligation to provide shelter. 

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1 hour ago, PinkFlamingo said:

TWENTY-TWO!!?? holy crap

I thought it was a really elderly person!!

edit: this just came out...explains a couple things:

http://wbaltv.com/article/witness-describes-seeing-woman-before-hospital-discharged-her-into-cold/15063393?src=app

Weird that the family would contact WBAL. They should be ashamed of themselves knowing the condition of their daughter. 

Any idea who they have retained for an attorney? That family sees $$$$$$ signs now.

Edited by naive

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3 minutes ago, naive said:

Weird that the family would contact WBAL. 

A woman that was in the ER with her and then later recognized her on the news, called WBAL I believe.  

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10 minutes ago, naive said:

While I disagree with this practice, it is not the hospital’s obligation to provide shelter. 

It is the hospital's obligation to provide compassionate care. There are organizations that can be contacted. There are facilities for psychosocial patients. Hospital ER personnel are well aware of this.

The hospital failed this woman on all levels.

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