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Mike Pence doesn't stand for Korea, skips meal with North Koreans

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5 minutes ago, Boobie said:

you should start a thread about Putin, this one is about North Korea and Kim.   Try and keep up,

Stumped waiting for instructions from Moscow?

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Democrats seem to respect and honor North Korea's regime and family values.  They find no fault with him   lol

North Korea's top education official Kim Yong Jin was executed by firing squad after he exercised a "bad attitude" at the country's Supreme People's Assembly in June 2016.


In May 2015, Kim had his Defense Minister Hyon Yong Chol killed with an anti-aircraft gun at a military school in Pyongyang, in front of an audience.   Kim made sure the Defense Minister's family was there to see the execution

In 2013, Kim Jong Un's uncle was executed for trying to overthrow the government, according to state media, which described him as a "traitor for all ages."
 

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1 hour ago, Ode2Joy said:

Right.  They are very similar.  :D  :D  :D 

Interestingly, both were raised in wealthy and privilege. Both inherited the family business, so to speak. Both had overbearing fathers whose long shadows both strive to get out from under. Both are apt to issue childish insults and both make threats at each other which they don't follow through with. Both, of course, feels he alone can solve their respective country's problems and feel the world revolves around him. Both have women, Trump his daughter, Kim, his sister, who they each send out into the world to suggest that he isn't really the monster that he certainly appears to be. Both see their political opponents as dangerous enemies that must be eliminated.Trump lacks Kim's power to simply kill them, and it isn't hard to imagine that that grates on him. Trump, of course, has expressed admiration for other brutal dictators.

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33 minutes ago, hst2 said:

Interestingly, both were raised in wealthy and privilege. Both inherited the family business, so to speak. Both had overbearing fathers whose long shadows both strive to get out from under. Both are apt to issue childish insults and both make threats at each other which they don't follow through with. Both, of course, feels he alone can solve their respective country's problems and feel the world revolves around him. Both have women, Trump his daughter, Kim, his sister, who they each send out into the world to suggest that he isn't really the monster that he certainly appears to be. Both see their political opponents as dangerous enemies that must be eliminated.Trump lacks Kim's power to simply kill them, and it isn't hard to imagine that that grates on him. Trump, of course, has expressed admiration for other brutal dictators.

Such a fervent imagination. I suspect that in math class you could spend the day arguing that 2+2=5 based on some fanciful comparisons. :lol:

Trump is a terrible president, a loudmouth, an unsophisticated boob in many ways. But your effort to make him into a wishful murderer because of the parallels that you dwell on is laughable. 

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It doesn't look like you addressed or rebutted any of his points.

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1 minute ago, Calamari said:

It doesn't look like you addressed or rebutted any of his points.

The points are correct, but irrelevant in terms of leading to the suggestion that Trump wishes he could murder his foes like Kim Jong-un does. Too bad that your bias in favor of hst's silly rant impairs your ability to comprehend a logical response.  

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39 minutes ago, Calamari said:

It doesn't look like you addressed or rebutted any of his points.

spot on

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1 hour ago, Papi said:

Such a fervent imagination. I suspect that in math class you could spend the day arguing that 2+2=5 based on some fanciful comparisons. :lol:

Trump is a terrible president, a loudmouth, an unsophisticated boob in many ways. But your effort to make him into a wishful murderer because of the parallels that you dwell on is laughable. 

:confused:

You have the nerve to mention anger management in regard to me.

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1 hour ago, Papi said:

The points are correct, but irrelevant in terms of leading to the suggestion that Trump wishes he could murder his foes like Kim Jong-un does. Too bad that your bias in favor of hst's silly rant impairs your ability to comprehend a logical response.  

It just seems like you are whining, instead of addressing any of his points, which you admittedly cannot, you start making straw man arguments.

Try to be better than this.

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2 minutes ago, Calamari said:

It just seems like you are whining, instead of addressing any of his points, which you admittedly cannot, you start making straw man arguments.

One of his strong points

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23 hours ago, WKDWZD said:

Your administration has a lot to learn about diplomacy, until it does, your country will continue to be embarrassed by them.

Who cares what you people think? 

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27 minutes ago, Calamari said:

It just seems like you are whining, instead of addressing any of his points, which you admittedly cannot, you start making straw man arguments.

Try to be better than this.

What straw man arguments?  Or do you actually believe hst's nonsensical suggestion that Trump is upset that he can't kill his opponents? Deal with the issue I raised, and stop throwing around infantile accusations. I already said his points are accurate, but simply irrelevant in terms of suggesting that Trump might wish to be a murderer. Is that too simple for you to grasp, or do you just really get your jollies by being argumentative? 

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23 hours ago, Patapeake said:

Diplomacy is a no-no for the Trump Administration.  The State Department is slowly being dismantled.

 

I wish more people understood that last part.  The damage being done by the orange mental patient and his ridiculous administration to all facets of government is damage that could likely haunt us for decades

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22 hours ago, Boobie said:

sorry I call out ignorance.  Call it what you want.

If that's the case you should be calling out damn near every one of your posts :lol::lol:

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5 hours ago, Boobie said:

Democrats seem to respect and honor North Korea's regime and family values.  They find no fault with him   lol

Examples please 

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3 hours ago, Calamari said:

It doesn't look like you addressed or rebutted any of his points.

And he won’t 

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21 hours ago, jdsample said:

Unification under Kim Jong Un?  Yes, very much opposed to that.  But that is the only unification rocket man will accept.  

Don't be silly.

As was the case in Eastern Europe during the cold war, unification under a capitalistic system, is only a matter of time. The more exchanges that take place between North and South the more people in the north will see just how bad their lot is.

While we shouldn't be naive, we should be supportive of any effort that increases the contacts between North and South Korea. I recall that in the late Clinton era the South was pursuing a sunshine policy and talks were in advanced stage that would have allowed families, separated by the war and the DMZ to visit each other.

Bush pooped all over the sunshine policy during his first weeks in the presidency. It was a rookie mistake but it was a big mistake.

The North Korean president has invited his counterpart to visit. Again, we shouldn't be naive but the US shouldn't stand in the way either.

We ultimately hold the cards and those cards are the standard of living, quality of life, and technological success story that is South Korea.

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20 hours ago, cprenegade said:

I think Pence was wrong in this case.  The Olympics are a time of worldwide competition that should be free of politics and political statements.  Politics and sports should be separated, period.  You want to make a statement, do it some other way on some other venue.  Leave all of the grandstanding out of sports, any and all of them.  If Pence was going to attend the Olympics he should have been respectful to all of the nations and leave political feelings at home.  

Well said.

 

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4 hours ago, paulsebastian said:

Most normal Americans care

There are always some parochial idiots that prefer to stick their heads in the sand while thinking the whole universe revolves around them.

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7 hours ago, Papi said:

Just an observation about North Korea. I would not be a bit surprised if there are some number of athletes among the 22 from North Korea who would like to defect and stay in the south. I would also not be surprised to learn that the families of those athletes are being held in a secure location with guns at the ready should any such thing occur. What would really be a story worthy of a great movie would be if Kim Jong-un's little sister defected, although I would be willing to bet money that any persons close to her are also under guard and threat of death should such a thing happen. 

 

 

That's probably true. It's also probably true that those athletes, their trainers, and their handlers are being confronted every moment with the vast disparity between the two countries. South Korea is one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, They have achieved a remarkably high standard of living and quality of life. The difference, and the implied advantages of western capitalism, will be impossible to miss. They will bring their impressions of the advantages of the South back to their families and friends. 

This is what happened in the cold war and, while we should never be naive, we should encourage these types of exchanges whenever possible. We can win this without ever firing a shot.

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33 minutes ago, JoyinMudville said:

Don't be silly.

As was the case in Eastern Europe during the cold war, unification under a capitalistic system, is only a matter of time. The more exchanges that take place between North and South the more people in the north will see just how bad their lot is.

While we shouldn't be naive, we should be supportive of any effort that increases the contacts between North and South Korea. I recall that in the late Clinton era the South was pursuing a sunshine policy and talks were in advanced stage that would have allowed families, separated by the war and the DMZ to visit each other.

Bush pooped all over the sunshine policy during his first weeks in the presidency. It was a rookie mistake but it was a big mistake.

The North Korean president has invited his counterpart to visit. Again, we shouldn't be naive but the US shouldn't stand in the way either.

We ultimately hold the cards and those cards are the standard of living, quality of life, and technological success story that is South Korea.

You are certainly an optimist and I hope you are right.  East Germany was not sending ballistic missiles over England & France while testing nukes.  

I suspect Kim's idea of sunshine is personally ruling the peninsula as a heavily armed military dictatorship, and then passing the job to a son if he has one.  Do you really think he would give up his power?  

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7 minutes ago, jdsample said:

You are certainly an optimist and I hope you are right.  East Germany was not sending ballistic missiles over England & France while testing nukes.  

I suspect Kim's idea of sunshine is personally ruling the peninsula as a heavily armed military dictatorship, and then passing the job to a son if he has one.  Do you really think he would give up his power?  

East Germany was part of the Warsaw Pact which had tens of thousands of strategic and tactical nuclear weapons that could have obliterated England and France in a matter of ten minutes. And yes, the nukes were stationed in East Germany.

 

Why are you so scared of this little tin pot dictator? Do you really think the South Korean population would just roll over and say, yeah, let's live under the North's regime which can't even figure out how to keep the lights on.

Something really sad has happened to right. You all seem to have lost the innate confidence in the superiority of the American system that was so powerfully articulated by Reagan.

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8 hours ago, Papi said:

The sister of Kim Jong-un remained seated when the USA team marched in while others in the VIP box stood. Rightly or wrongly, Pence behaved in similar fashion. To pretend there should not be tension in that VIP box is to be naive. 

Kim Jong-un's sister verst the Vice President of the United States? :confused:

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7 hours ago, Boobie said:

Democrats seem to respect and honor North Korea's regime and family values.  They find no fault with him   lol

North Korea's top education official Kim Yong Jin was executed by firing squad after he exercised a "bad attitude" at the country's Supreme People's Assembly in June 2016.


In May 2015, Kim had his Defense Minister Hyon Yong Chol killed with an anti-aircraft gun at a military school in Pyongyang, in front of an audience.   Kim made sure the Defense Minister's family was there to see the execution

In 2013, Kim Jong Un's uncle was executed for trying to overthrow the government, according to state media, which described him as a "traitor for all ages."
 

This is one of dumbest most trollish things you've ever posted... and that's saying something.

I think you owe an apology to EVERYONE who made this statement about

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