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3 minutes ago, Pickle20 said:

Well, that's like your opinion, man.

Ebron is still just 25, and catches 60-70% of his targets.

Dickson is a 30 y/o blocking TE who in 8 years has less receiving yards than Ebron does in 4.

The Colts paid Ebron $15 million over two years to be their No. 2 tight end. 

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8 minutes ago, mdrunning said:

The Colts paid Ebron $15 million over two years to be their No. 2 tight end. 

Now they have two good TE's. Ebron might be better than Doyle.

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22 minutes ago, Pickle20 said:

Well, that's like your opinion, man.

Ebron is still just 25, and catches 60-70% of his targets.

Dickson is a 30 y/o blocking TE who in 8 years has less receiving yards than Ebron does in 4.

That 65 to 70 percent target rate is deceiving. Ebron's historically been the type of player who will give you the ESPN highlight catch, then drop an easy pass on 3rd-and-3. He just doesn't have a history of being consistent, and on top of that, he's not a blocker. The latter allows teams to defend him essentially as a wide receiver because he isn't going to create a lot of mismatches.

The Colts were able to give Ebron that money because they've got tons of cap space. The Ravens, who as of now have about $10 million of cap room, couldn't and shouldn't have paid that much. Caveat emptor.

I've got nothing against Ebron; I just don't think he's worth a sizeable investment. He'd be an upgrade, sure, but other than Ben Watson, so would my cat. The two things you look for in a tight end is blocking ability and reliable hands. Ebron hasn't displayed either over the course of his career. 

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59 minutes ago, bmore_ken said:

The best of what was available and an upgrade over what we have now.

Maybe.  I'd still like to see what Maxx Williams can do as the primary TE.

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1 minute ago, alienrace said:

Maybe.  I'd still like to see what Maxx Williams can do as the primary TE.

I was thinking that as well. See if there are any other cap casualties, and then perhaps sink or swim with Williams. 

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Nobody ever would call Flacco a smart, or heady QB, but doesn't he have people around him -- or even coaches -- that implore him to work more often with WRs in the offseason?  This is crazy, and why Flacco will never be a very good QB (outside of the 2012 season). 

We all know that following the first couple regular season games of 2018, when Flacco fails to connect with any degree of comfortability with Crabtree and John Brown, and he has the Flacco-concussed-look (which as we know, is his everyday look), that Flacco will say something to the effect "it takes time to build a rhythm with your receivers" and "hopefully, by mid-season, we will have some of these kinks worked out" and "we're working on our timing" the press will give him something of a pass because they got their soundbite...but such a position is nuts....Joe, why not ensure you are perfectly comfortable with your receivers (who you've been on the same team with since February) by August?! 

When asked recently why he hasn't been throwing with his new receivers, Flacco gave some awful, lazy excuse like he doesn't know what the coaches will have in place for the season.  Well, Einstein, find out!  Or, if you cannot determine what it will take to build a successful rapport with your receivers in your 10th NFL season, then please just retire. 

It's great that he sounds like he's in good shape, and injury-free, but let's not forget that Joe's brain doesn't process things very quickly.  He needs every bit of time to build up the muscle-memory with his receivers, because lord knows, he's not going to cognitively figure it out.

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2 hours ago, Balmerboh said:

Nobody ever would call Flacco a smart, or heady QB, but doesn't he have people around him -- or even coaches -- that implore him to work more often with WRs in the offseason?  This is crazy, and why Flacco will never be a very good QB (outside of the 2012 season). 

We all know that following the first couple regular season games of 2018, when Flacco fails to connect with any degree of comfortability with Crabtree and John Brown, and he has the Flacco-concussed-look (which as we know, is his everyday look), that Flacco will say something to the effect "it takes time to build a rhythm with your receivers" and "hopefully, by mid-season, we will have some of these kinks worked out" and "we're working on our timing" the press will give him something of a pass because they got their soundbite...but such a position is nuts....Joe, why not ensure you are perfectly comfortable with your receivers (who you've been on the same team with since February) by August?! 

When asked recently why he hasn't been throwing with his new receivers, Flacco gave some awful, lazy excuse like he doesn't know what the coaches will have in place for the season.  Well, Einstein, find out!  Or, if you cannot determine what it will take to build a successful rapport with your receivers in your 10th NFL season, then please just retire. 

It's great that he sounds like he's in good shape, and injury-free, but let's not forget that Joe's brain doesn't process things very quickly.  He needs every bit of time to build up the muscle-memory with his receivers, because lord knows, he's not going to cognitively figure it out.

didn't he work in the off-season last year with the receivers?

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4 hours ago, mikemor1 said:

didn't he work in the off-season last year with the receivers?

He did, and he is working with Crabtree and Brown this offseason.  The problem is that the Ravens never give him more than rejects from the NFL pile.  They don't sign premier first line free agent receivers and they don't draft well in that area.   Flacco is not an elite QB, never was, never will be.  He is slow to read defensive coverages and slow to go through his receiver progressions.  But he has a big arm, and can do well when given at least decent receivers and enough time to throw.  A past the prime Wallace, ready for retirement Maclin, and past retirement Watson do not qualify as a good receiver group.  Crabtree and Brown represent a very minor upgrade on that, but even with the possibility of Dez Bryant it still is a past their prime receiving corp with no good TE option and without Woodhead, no good checkdown option from the backfield.  If anyone is expecting Flacco to suddenly regain the magic of 2012 with this group is in for a sad disappointment.  

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15 hours ago, cprenegade said:

He did, and he is working with Crabtree and Brown this offseason.  The problem is that the Ravens never give him more than rejects from the NFL pile.  They don't sign premier first line free agent receivers and they don't draft well in that area.   Flacco is not an elite QB, never was, never will be.  He is slow to read defensive coverages and slow to go through his receiver progressions.  But he has a big arm, and can do well when given at least decent receivers and enough time to throw.  A past the prime Wallace, ready for retirement Maclin, and past retirement Watson do not qualify as a good receiver group.  Crabtree and Brown represent a very minor upgrade on that, but even with the possibility of Dez Bryant it still is a past their prime receiving corp with no good TE option and without Woodhead, no good checkdown option from the backfield.  If anyone is expecting Flacco to suddenly regain the magic of 2012 with this group is in for a sad disappointment.  

I agree with you, and I wonder if when Ozzie retires, their draft philosophy will go in a different direction.

I've never understood why their WR development is so pathetic and they seem to make constant changes to affect every position but that one.  It's always the same story- receivers can't get separation.

So if they're going to stick with a sub par WR group, I hope they draft a back that can catch and a plug and play TE. 

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