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Trump tweets MISSION ACCOMPLISHED in Syria

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13 hours ago, VOSA said:

People were not the targets of chemical weapons used the Vietnam, there were the targets of the chemical weapons used in Syria.

LOL! Ok,... keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself! Fact is, there were multiple chemical based ordinances used in Vietnam, as there are several classifications of chemical based ordinances,... of which all of them aren't tagged illegal. BTW, napalm is a chemical based ordinance,... don't let the most popularized delivery system confuse you.

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50 minutes ago, ericpd said:

LOL! Ok,... keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself! Fact is, there were multiple chemical based ordinances used in Vietnam, as there are several classifications of chemical based ordinances,... of which all of them aren't tagged illegal. BTW, napalm is a chemical based ordinance,... don't let the most popularized delivery system confuse you.

Who were the people in Vietnam who were intentionally target with chemical weapons?

If napalm is a chemical weapon has it been outlawed under international law as other chemical weapons have?

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47 minutes ago, VOSA said:

Who were the people in Vietnam who were intentionally target with chemical weapons?

If napalm is a chemical weapon has it been outlawed under international law as other chemical weapons have?

We dropped more bombs on Vietnam than we dropped in all of WWII

Im pretty sure we knew civilians would die as a result of those strikes

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15 hours ago, VOSA said:

Substitute "your' for "our" and you would sound like George Wallace, Ross Barnett or Lester Maddox.

How successful do you think the civil rights movement would have been had all the folks outside the Deep South had said "Why is it our business?".

Civil Rights affected Americans, Assad using gas on his own people does not. 

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14 hours ago, soulflower said:

Apples and Oranges.

What happens to Americans in different States matters because we’re all Americans. 

Syria is a different country. We don’t have a dog in the fight over who controls their country. Our only interest in Syria is counter-terrorism...

Exactly 

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On 4/14/2018 at 2:34 PM, ms maggie said:

The man's grasp of history is the best. Everyone says so. Except the fake news....

 

🤥🤥🤥

I think he did it on purpose...or more likely somebody had him use the phrase....

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31 minutes ago, bmore_ken said:

Civil Rights affected Americans, Assad using gas on his own people does not. 

A perfect example of why the UN is a joke. 

 https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/17/134617890/in-libya-rebels-fight-back-but-gadhafis-forces-largely-unstoppable

Update at 6:50 p.m. ET: U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice says the passing of this resolution "responded to the cry for help" of the Libyan people. She said the resolution asks for an immediate cease fire from Gadhafi's forces. And that Gadhafi "continues to abuse the most fundamental of human rights." She added:

 

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2 hours ago, ericpd said:

LOL! Ok,... keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about yourself! Fact is, there were multiple chemical based ordinances used in Vietnam, as there are several classifications of chemical based ordinances,... of which all of them aren't tagged illegal. BTW, napalm is a chemical based ordinance,... don't let the most popularized delivery system confuse you.

Hey Eric. Just a friendly correction. Ordnance please, not ordinance. ;)

I think the main chemical used in Vietnam was the now infamous Agent Orange.  Much like DDT and some weed killers, the long-term effects of this defoliant were not yet known at the time of its use.  So while it clearly is still affecting people - both former US service members and Vietnamese civilians, they were not actually targeted.

Napalm on the other hand, while not considered a chemical weapon, was/is a nasty, nasty compound that was used (sometimes intentionally) on human targets.  It probably ought to be outlawed by the international community.  

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3 minutes ago, Struds said:

Hey Eric. Just a friendly correction. Ordnance please, not ordinance. ;)

I think the main chemical used in Vietnam was the now infamous Agent Orange.  Much like DDT and some weed killers, the long-term effects of this defoliant were not yet known at the time of its use.  So while it clearly is still affecting people - both former US service members and Vietnamese civilians, they were not actually targeted.

Napalm on the other hand, while not considered a chemical weapon, was/is a nasty, nasty compound that was used (sometimes intentionally) on human targets.  It probably ought to be outlawed by the international community.  

Agent Orange is a defoliate, not a nerve agent or other chemical designed to be used on people. 

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Just now, flyboy56 said:

Agent Orange is a defoliate, not a nerve agent or other chemical designed to be used on people. 

Yeah, I said that already. 

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20 minutes ago, Struds said:

Yeah, I said that already. 


Right. Just reiterating what you said for those who think Agent Orange is a chemical weapon.

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Syrians in Raqaa are beginning to protest the US occupation. 

This is why we need to withdraw our troops. Their internal problems are not our problem.

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4 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Syrians in Raqaa are beginning to protest the US occupation. 

This is why we need to withdraw our troops. Their internal problems are not our problem.

I agree but where is the appreciation for liberating Raqqa from ISIS? 

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22 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

I agree but where is the appreciation for liberating Raqqa from ISIS? 

Not sure. Iraqis are protesting too

 

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7 hours ago, VOSA said:

Funny you did not make that comparison in the post where you made the comment.

You make this stuff up as you go along, don't you?

I kinda figured most folks would be smart enough to know that... you proved me wrong... some apparently aren't... 

And two compared to thirty-nine is a very small number... like two people showing up for a meeting when you were expecting thirty-nine... you might even say nobody showed up... so we called the meeting off... 

A manner of speaking... make something out of it if you feel the need... 

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3 hours ago, soulflower said:

Not sure. Iraqis are protesting too

 

No appreciation. Obama should have stayed out of Iraq after 2011 and never should have gone into Syria looking for ISIS. Let the Arabs fight their own battles. It's not our business. 

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10 hours ago, VOSA said:

Who were the people in Vietnam who were intentionally target with chemical weapons?

If napalm is a chemical weapon has it been outlawed under international law as other chemical weapons have?

North & South Vietnamese and anyone there not looking like us.

Straight from Wikipedia: "International law does not specifically prohibit the use of napalm or other incendiaries against military targets, but use against civilian populations was banned by the United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) in 1980."

Bear in mind,... the use of tear gas by police departments is technically deploying a chemical ordinance on the public! 

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8 hours ago, Struds said:

Hey Eric. Just a friendly correction. Ordnance please, not ordinance. ;)

I think the main chemical used in Vietnam was the now infamous Agent Orange.  Much like DDT and some weed killers, the long-term effects of this defoliant were not yet known at the time of its use.  So while it clearly is still affecting people - both former US service members and Vietnamese civilians, they were not actually targeted.

Napalm on the other hand, while not considered a chemical weapon, was/is a nasty, nasty compound that was used (sometimes intentionally) on human targets.  It probably ought to be outlawed by the international community.  

Hahahaha! Correction noted! Thanks man! <feelin' a silly>.

Actually it was debated whether napalm was a chemical based or incendiary based ordnance,... the debate mainly hinged on the delivery system!

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Democrats got 55,000 US troops killed in VietNam.  Not sure they should be involved in military decisions,

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4 hours ago, flyboy56 said:

No appreciation. Obama should have stayed out of Iraq after 2011 and never should have gone into Syria looking for ISIS. Let the Arabs fight their own battles. It's not our business. 

I agree totally,... but not just the Arabs. I think we should stay out of the Middle East completely,... when it comes to their disagreements and political, geographical and religious squabbles. All of them,... not just the Arabs.

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We know Assad isn't using chemical weapons, because......

Obama and Kerry told us he turned them all over .....

It was a diplomatic coup.....

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9 hours ago, Eastside Terp said:

We know Assad isn't using chemical weapons, because......

Obama and Kerry told us he turned them all over .....

It was a diplomatic coup.....

Assad should obviously be suspected of using Chemical Weapons but isn’t it strange how this latest attack came so soon after Trump said he wants to pull US forces out of Syria? It’s a bit too convenient. 

Also, the terrorists in Syria have Chemical Weapons too

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/872209/isis-jihadis-terrorism-raqqa-syria-iraq-us-chemical-weapons-war

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/isis-used-chemical-weapons-against-kurds--u.s.-officials-say-505213507900

 

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15 hours ago, flyboy56 said:

No appreciation. Obama should have stayed out of Iraq after 2011 and never should have gone into Syria looking for ISIS. Let the Arabs fight their own battles. It's not our business. 

You are funny.  Obama should have stayed out of Iraq after 2011 but at the same time you always say Obama should not have withdrawn from Iraq.  :lol:

I know it's shocking, but some people may not appreciate that the US completely destabilized the region in the first place.  Not to mention dropping bombs for 15 years.  That might rub some people the wrong way.

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26 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

You are funny.  Obama should have stayed out of Iraq after 2011 but at the same time you always say Obama should not have withdrawn from Iraq.  :lol:

I know it's shocking, but some people may not appreciate that the US completely destabilized the region in the first place.  Not to mention dropping bombs for 15 years.  That might rub some people the wrong way.

You can’t lose an argument if you argue for both sides of it :)

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