Starbucks chief executive apologises for arrests of two black men

[EgyptKang 0]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-police-chief-defends-officers-starbucks-arrests-033052350--finance.html

The men were accused of trespassing but have said they were waiting for a friend before ordering.

Which whites do at Starbucks EVERYDAY!!!!

[regularguy 63,771]

27 minutes ago, EgyptKang said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-police-chief-defends-officers-starbucks-arrests-033052350--finance.html

Which whites do at Starbucks EVERYDAY!!!!

It's a pretty crazy business model for a restaurant or coffee-shop to let people take up tables without buying anything. Are you suggesting that white people who refuse to buy something are never asked to leave?

[EgyptKang 0]

1 minute ago, regularguy said:

It's a pretty crazy business model for a restaurant or coffee-shop to let people take up tables without buying anything. Are you suggesting that white people who refuse to buy something are never asked to leave?

I am saying they are never harassed. These guys were waiting for someone. Something whites do everyday at Starbucks.  I used to go to Starbucks quite often.

[regularguy 63,771]

1 minute ago, EgyptKang said:

 I used to go to Starbucks quite often.

Did you typically take up a table without buying anything?

[hst2 180,271]

1 minute ago, regularguy said:

Did you typically take up a table without buying anything?

If waiting for others who I will order with, as is the case here? Sure.

[Joba 0]

If you go in, don't buy anything, try to use the restroom, then sit down and occupy the place you're going to get tossed. Doesn't matter what color you are.

[stevez51 10]

1 minute ago, hst2 said:

If waiting for others who I will order with, as is the case here? Sure.

Now if you see someone who makes a purchase looking for somewhere to sit, do you offer yours.??

Maybe these 2 guys didn't.

[Marshan Man 18,134]

4 minutes ago, regularguy said:

Did you typically take up a table without buying anything?

Onlookers in the background are incredulous.

"What did they do?" one man asks.

"They didn't do anything," a woman responds. "I saw the entire thing."

...

All the other white ppl are wondering why it’s never happened to us when we do the same thing...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/14/602556973/starbucks-police-and-mayor-weigh-in-on-controversial-arrest-of-2-black-men-in-ph

 

 

 

[regularguy 63,771]

3 minutes ago, Marshan Man said:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/14/602556973/starbucks-police-and-mayor-weigh-in-on-controversial-arrest-of-2-black-men-in-ph

 

From your link:

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When police arrived, two Starbucks employees told them two men had asked to use the restroom but were told they couldn't because they hadn't purchased anything. The men allegedly refused to leave after being asked by Starbucks employees. Ross also said the two men refused to leave after being asked three times by police officers.

The two men should have either bought something or gone outside to wait. They were clearly trespassing, and they were given several chances by the police officers to avoid arrest.

[hst2 180,271]

Just now, stevez51 said:

Now if you see someone who makes a purchase looking for somewhere to sit, do you offer yours.??

Maybe these 2 guys didn't.

Were they sitting at a table?

 

[Joba 0]

5 minutes ago, regularguy said:

From your link:

The two men should have either bought something or gone outside to wait. They were clearly trespassing, and they were given several chances by the police officers to avoid arrest.

Agreed. It's pretty cut and dry. Not sure what all the commotion is about.

[Joba 0]

2 minutes ago, hst2 said:

Were they sitting at a table?

 

The video clearly shows that they were.

[hst2 180,271]

9 minutes ago, regularguy said:

From your link:

The two men should have either bought something or gone outside to wait. They were clearly trespassing, and they were given several chances by the police officers to avoid arrest.

I don't think that a Starbuck's policy dictating that anyone in the place not actively consuming a product will be considered a trespasser is good corporate policy and essentially contradicts the image Starbucks cultivates as a place where people are free to meet or work. 

Edited April 15 by hst2

[hst2 180,271]

2 minutes ago, Joba said:

The video clearly shows that they were.

I see empty tables as well.

[Joba 0]

1 minute ago, hst2 said:

I don't think that a Starbuck's policy dictating that anyone in the place not actively consuming a product will be considered a trespasser is good corporate policy and essentially contradicts the image as Starbucks cultivates as a place where people are free to meet or work. 

It sounds like you're agreeing that Starbuck's policy was followed and there was no wrongdoing in the incident. Your only beef is with Starbuck's policy.

[naive 24,367]

Melissa DePino, an author who posted video of the arrest, said staff called police because the two men had not ordered anything while waiting for a friend. She said white customers were "wondering why it's never happened to us when we do the same thing."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/philadelphia-police-chief-defends-officers-starbucks-arrests-033052350--finance.html

Guess it’s employee discretion when it comes to who is trespassing and who is not.

[hst2 180,271]

8 minutes ago, Joba said:

It sounds like you're agreeing that Starbuck's policy was followed and there was no wrongdoing in the incident. Your only beef is with Starbuck's policy.

What is the policy?

[Joba 0]

3 minutes ago, hst2 said:

What is the policy?

You just posted it.

[hst2 180,271]

Just now, Joba said:

You just posted it.

No, I posted a scenario of a policy that would probably not be a good idea.

[Marshan Man 18,134]

There is no policy because people hang out at Starbucks all the time. 

[naive 24,367]

Just now, Marshan Man said:

There is no policy because people hang out at Starbucks all the time. 

Exactly. Panera bread is another popular hangout.

[regularguy 63,771]

32 minutes ago, hst2 said:

I don't think that a Starbuck's policy dictating that anyone in the place not actively consuming a product will be considered a trespasser is good corporate policy and essentially contradicts the image Starbucks cultivates as a place where people are free to meet or work. 

I don't think you need to be "actively consuming a product", but I would have bought something nominal if I was going to take up a table.

Maybe I just don't have the seemingly-widespread sense of entitlement to do anything I please.

Edited April 15 by regularguy

[Gertrude 0]

48 minutes ago, stevez51 said:

Now if you see someone who makes a purchase looking for somewhere to sit, do you offer yours.??

Maybe these 2 guys didn't.

I dislike when I get my food after standing in a long line and then I cannot sit down because someone is holding a table. It’s just rude. That doesn’t appear to be the case here. 

[hst2 180,271]

56 minutes ago, regularguy said:

I don't think you need to be "actively consuming a product", but I would have bought something nominal if I was going to take up a table.

Maybe I just don't have the seemingly-widespread sense of entitlement to do anything I please.

Or maybe you just don't notice it.

Places like Starbucks encourage customers to hang around, even if they aren't consuming products. They even provide wifi so one can work or surf the internet for a while.

Edited April 15 by hst2

[workerbee 837,455]

1 hour ago, hst2 said:

Were they sitting at a table?

 

Like this guy?