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The Iran deal is over.

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Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end of Iran if they do move against Israel.   

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4 minutes ago, Ode2Joy said:

Hopefully, this will be the beginning of the end of Iran if they do move against Israel.   

They won’t despite Israel’s attempts to provoke Iran...

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21 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

When was the last time the US fought an Israeli war?

1973,... and we're still fighting it for them. Make no mistake,... if we got out of there, like we should, and tell the Isrealis,... you're on your own, what was supposed to be Palestine would be Palestine once again within months.

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17 minutes ago, MiddleOfTheRoad said:

I am compelled to ask, "If Iran is so trustworthy, why does the world need any agreement of any kind"? 

First of all, it's not the world who needs agreements,... it's just us and any all those we've convinced that the sky will fall if they get one.

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1 hour ago, EGoldstein said:

I wonder if a certain North Korean is reading this and is thinking, why would I ever enter into an agreement with the U.S. that could end in 3 years?  

That is possible. It is also entirely possible that Kim Jong Un may think that, unlike past presidents that made deals with NK that Kim’s father and grandfather willfully reneged on, that Trump is willing to do whatever it takes to remove nukes from NK, just as he appears to be willing to do with Iran. 

I’m not saying that Trump will be succesful, or that his strategy is the correct one. It’s simply that, to Kim, Trump may be unpredictable enough to throw caution to the wind and that may actually scare the crap out of the NK regime. 

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Just now, mlatoman said:

That is possible. It is also entirely possible that Kim Jong Un may think that, unlike past presidents that made deals with NK that Kim’s father and grandfather willfully reneged on, that Trump is willing to do whatever it takes to remove nukes from NK, just as he appears to be willing to do with Iran. 

I’m not saying that Trump will be succesful, or that his strategy is the correct one. It’s simply that, to Kim, Trump may be unpredictable enough to throw caution to the wind and that may actually scare the crap out of the NK regime. 

Unfortunately it works against us as well, Donny is crazy enough to throw caution to the wind and that scares a lot of people in this country.   

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16 minutes ago, ericpd said:

First of all, it's not the world who needs agreements,... it's just us and any all those we've convinced that the sky will fall if they get one.

So, your assertion then, is that the French and English are either too naive to make their own determination on the world stage or too stupid.  Which is it?

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33 minutes ago, ericpd said:

And they handle their problems as they usually do ONLY because of our weapons, bullets and intel. It's easy barking loud on the playground when your 6'5" big brother is standing behind you. Wonder how loud they'd bark if we left to go off to college!  

The Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian armies were decisively defeated, and Israel captured the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. The 1967 war, which lasted only six days, established Israel as the dominant regional military power.

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7 minutes ago, mlatoman said:

That is possible. It is also entirely possible that Kim Jong Un may think that, unlike past presidents that made deals with NK that Kim’s father and grandfather willfully reneged on, that Trump is willing to do whatever it takes to remove nukes from NK, just as he appears to be willing to do with Iran. 

I’m not saying that Trump will be succesful, or that his strategy is the correct one. It’s simply that, to Kim, Trump may be unpredictable enough to throw caution to the wind and that may actually scare the crap out of the NK regime. 

Good point, Sir. It may be appropriate, for the purposes of discussion on this "esteemed" forum, that the Kim regime, all three of them, have proved themselves experts at brinkmanship since 1953 and in most cases have succeeded in getting at least in part, their needs, despite their self professed  Juche.

It's not yet over, not by a long shot. 

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20 minutes ago, ericpd said:

First of all, it's not the world who needs agreements,... it's just us and any all those we've convinced that the sky will fall if they get one.

Try to look at it from Israel's perspective. A country that is an Islamic Republic, ran by religious nuts who's life long mission is death to Israel, has one of the most powerful militaries in the ME gets nukes. You wouldn't be the least bit nervous? Um, ok......

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16 minutes ago, blowboatbethesda said:

Good point, Sir. It may be appropriate, for the purposes of discussion on this "esteemed" forum, that the Kim regime, all three of them, have proved themselves experts at brinkmanship since 1953 and in most cases have succeeded in getting at least in part, their needs, despite their self professed  Juche.

It's not yet over, not by a long shot. 

You gotta admit, this is one of the first times that people on this "esteemed" forum were rooting for the US to fail with NK.

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We're out. That doesn't mean the deal is over. The other signatories seem committed to staying on.

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29 minutes ago, EGoldstein said:

Unfortunately it works against us as well, Donny is crazy enough to throw caution to the wind and that scares a lot of people in this country.   

Let the South Koreans do the heavy lifting. Keep stroking Trump's ego so he keeps out of it.

Got nothing to lose.

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5 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

You gotta admit, this is one of the first times that people on this "esteemed" forum were rooting for the US to fail with NK.

True, as many here believe in equality as professed by "Best" Korea. :)

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17 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

You gotta admit, this is one of the first times that people on this "esteemed" forum were rooting for the US to fail with NK.

Not exactly true since a lot were rooting for everything Obama did to fail including the Iran deal.

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1 hour ago, ericpd said:

And they handle their problems as they usually do ONLY because of our weapons, bullets and intel. It's easy barking loud on the playground when your 6'5" big brother is standing behind you. Wonder how loud they'd bark if we left to go off to college!  

So long as no American troops are put in harms way who cares?

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1 hour ago, ericpd said:

1973,... and we're still fighting it for them. Make no mistake,... if we got out of there, like we should, and tell the Isrealis,... you're on your own, what was supposed to be Palestine would be Palestine once again within months.

You're saying the US fought in the Yom Kippur War?

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1 hour ago, soulflower said:

They won’t despite Israel’s attempts to provoke Iran...

It is Iran who is provoking Israel. They don't need to be so close to the Israeli border. 

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This madness will bring about the ruin of America.  And when the dust settles, the war mongers will blame Obama.

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11 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

So long as no American troops are put in harms way who cares?

We don't need to have troops in the middle in the first place,... especially with missions we've given them over the years. The only thing I care about with the ME, is that we take our wallet, our guns, and our young men and women and get out. When the dust clears, and they politically fashion their neck of the woods the way they want it,... then we go in and make friends and trade for oil.

Sorta like the way we were forced to do with Vietnam. We got forced out, they threw out every and all remnants of colonialism, fixed their political structure the way they wanted. Then they went about the business of political and economic maturity,... at their own pace and in their own direction. Today Vietnam is one of our favored trading partners. We should do the same with the ME,... we've been messin' with those folks since the time of Christ.

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It is pretty astonishing how the only nation in human history to use nuclear weapons is depending that another country surrender its nuclear weapons.  The hypocrisy reeks.

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Well, on January 21, 2021 all of Donald's doings will begin to be undone. 

Donald is not a great man. You can't polish a turd.

 

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4 hours ago, prodigalson1 said:

Well, on January 21, 2021 all of Donald's doings will begin to be undone. 

Donald is not a great man. You can't polish a turd.

 

It is possible to put lipstick on a pig though.

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