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As the Trump administration moves aggressively to allow more states to impose mandatory work requirements on their Medicaid programs, several states have come under fire for crafting policies that would in practice shield many rural, white residents from the impact of the new rules. ...In the GOP-controlled states of Kentucky, Michigan, and Ohio, waiver proposals would subject hundreds of thousands of Medicaid enrollees to work requirements, threatening to cut off their health insurance if they can’t meet an hours-per-week threshold.

Those waivers include exemptions for the counties with the highest unemployment, which tend to be majority-white, GOP-leaning, and rural. But many low-income people of color who live in high-unemployment urban centers would not qualify, because the wealthier suburbs surrounding those cities pull the overall county unemployment rate below the threshold.

“This is sort of a version of racial redlining where they’re identifying communities where the work requirements will be in full effect and others where they will be left out,” George Washington University health law professor Sara Rosenbaum told TPM. “When that starts to result in racially identifiable areas, that’s where the concern increases.”

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It's a white nationalist party now and not a particularly surprising development.

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1 minute ago, michiganjoe said:

It's a white nationalist party now and not a particularly surprising development.

And since these folks refuse to move to where there are jobs, we need immigrants to do the work.

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So no poor blacks live in any of the exempted areas.

I find that hard to believe. 

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Is it harder for you to read the article?

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2 minutes ago, hst2 said:

And since these folks refuse to move to where there are jobs, we need immigrants to do the work.

Were they offered the job(s).

This is almost a mirror image of your points when we spoke of folks from the city going to eastern shore to pick crabs. 

Is it not?

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Michigan’s GOP has a plan to shield some people from Medicaid work requirements. They’re overwhelmingly white.

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Without the exemption, the work requirements are projected to apply primarily to approximately 700,000 Michigan residents enrolled in Medicaid under broader eligibility rules passed under Gov. Rick Snyder (R).

African Americans make up about 23 percent of that population, but they would make up only 1.2 percent of the people eligible for the unemployment exemption. White people make up 57 percent of the total potential affected population, but they make up 85 percent of the group eligible for the unemployment exemption, according to an analysis of the state's data.

 

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3 minutes ago, michiganjoe said:

It's a white nationalist party now and not a particularly surprising development.

Au Contraire   Draining the Food Stamp Swamp.  https://www.creators.com/read/star-parker  You Go Girl!!

"The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program is high on the Republican list of programs targeted for reform — and justifiably so.  The program has gone from 17 million enrollees in 2000 to about 43 million today, with outlays up from about $25 billion to more than $70 billion.  The Trump administration's budget submitted last February includes major reforms to the program, designed to save $216 billion over the next decade."

"The problem with the food stamp program is similar to the problem of the other anti-poverty, welfare programs on which we spend almost 25 percent of the federal budget. That is, what is directed in the spirit of compassion, to provide temporary assistance to those who have fallen on hard times, transforms into a way of life."

 

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3 minutes ago, workerbee said:

Au Contraire   Draining the Food Stamp Swamp.  https://www.creators.com/read/star-parker  You Go Girl!!

"The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program is high on the Republican list of programs targeted for reform — and justifiably so.  The program has gone from 17 million enrollees in 2000 to about 43 million today, with outlays up from about $25 billion to more than $70 billion.  The Trump administration's budget submitted last February includes major reforms to the program, designed to save $216 billion over the next decade."

"The problem with the food stamp program is similar to the problem of the other anti-poverty, welfare programs on which we spend almost 25 percent of the federal budget. That is, what is directed in the spirit of compassion, to provide temporary assistance to those who have fallen on hard times, transforms into a way of life."

 

 So to address the topic. Do you think this is an equal opportunity draining?

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Just now, Marshan Man said:

 So to address the topic. Do you think this is an equal opportunity draining?

good luck with that

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5 minutes ago, workerbee said:

Au Contraire   Draining the Food Stamp Swamp.  https://www.creators.com/read/star-parker  You Go Girl!!

"The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program is high on the Republican list of programs targeted for reform — and justifiably so.  The program has gone from 17 million enrollees in 2000 to about 43 million today, with outlays up from about $25 billion to more than $70 billion.  The Trump administration's budget submitted last February includes major reforms to the program, designed to save $216 billion over the next decade."

"The problem with the food stamp program is similar to the problem of the other anti-poverty, welfare programs on which we spend almost 25 percent of the federal budget. That is, what is directed in the spirit of compassion, to provide temporary assistance to those who have fallen on hard times, transforms into a way of life."

 

There is the problem in a nutshell. 

 

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9 minutes ago, michiganjoe said:

So assuming the stats are correct....(statistics lie...liars use statistics)....then blacks that just happen to live in those areas will benefit? Time to move.

But...it ...on face value it does appear that some red lining preferential treatment IS going on. 

And that is not right 

 

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Just now, Guido2 said:

There is the problem in a nutshell. 

 

Too bad that's complete bullcrap.  This kind of crap really sticks in my craw.  Yeah, there are some out there who abuse the system, but those few are the exception rather than the rule.  The real crux of the problem is that while everything gets more and more expensive, and corporations get more and more profitable, absolutely NONE of that "trickles down" to the employees.  Wages are far too low, and as a result what you end up with is people working their arses off and STILL needing to get food stamps.  We are effectively subsidizing large profitable corporations and have at the same time allowed ourselves to be convinced that we should be blaming poor people for being poor.

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2 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

Too bad that's complete bullcrap.  This kind of crap really sticks in my craw.  Yeah, there are some out there who abuse the system, but those few are the exception rather than the rule.  The real crux of the problem is that while everything gets more and more expensive, and corporations get more and more profitable, absolutely NONE of that "trickles down" to the employees.  Wages are far too low, and as a result what you end up with is people working their arses off and STILL needing to get food stamps.  We are effectively subsidizing large profitable corporations and have at the same time allowed ourselves to be convinced that we should be blaming poor people for being poor.

I would say that all the above are part of the issue. 

However, one must be working in order to be paid even a substandard wage. You have to agree with that. 

But you may want to read this study: 

http://phdmomdropout.com/2014/02/the-negative-impact-of-multi-generational-welfare/

More troubling, the study also found that “consistent with this increase in adult children’s welfare dependency, we find that parental DI (disability insurance) receipt decreases the probability that a child will work or pursue higher education.” Therefore, income-based welfare, like Medicaid, becomes a self-fulfilling, multi-generational prophecy—low-income parents on welfare hamper the ability of their children to achieve a better life for themselves.

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And this is an interesting article also:

https://www.cnn.com/2012/09/21/opinion/spalding-welfare-state-dependency/index.html

Under a culture of dependency, poverty becomes a trap, and recipients get stuck. Long-term welfare recipients lose work habits and job skills and miss out on the marketplace contacts that lead to job opportunities. That's a key reason the government should require welfare recipients to work as much as they can. What could be called "workfare" thus tends to increase long-term earnings among potential recipient

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    When people on the government dole battle over the fear of earning their health benifits. lol

     I get it though. The more people of color that work to receive health benefits, the more votes the dems loose. Schumer and Pelosi won’t take that heresy.

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11 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

I would say that all the above are part of the issue. 

However, one must be working in order to be paid even a substandard wage. You have to agree with that. 

But you may want to read this study: 

http://phdmomdropout.com/2014/02/the-negative-impact-of-multi-generational-welfare/

More troubling, the study also found that “consistent with this increase in adult children’s welfare dependency, we find that parental DI (disability insurance) receipt decreases the probability that a child will work or pursue higher education.” Therefore, income-based welfare, like Medicaid, becomes a self-fulfilling, multi-generational prophecy—low-income parents on welfare hamper the ability of their children to achieve a better life for themselves.

Yes, one must be working in order to be paid even a substandard wage.  And that has been increasingly the case for some time now

I'm just getting a bit tired of everyone pretending like the folks receiving SNAP benefits are all a bunch of lazy good for nothings who're just milking the system.

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2 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

    When people on the government dole battle over the fear of earning their health benifits. lol

     I get it though. The more people of color that work to receive health benefits, the more votes the dems loose. Schumer and Pelosi won’t take that heresy.

Derp

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10 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

And this is an interesting article also:

https://www.cnn.com/2012/09/21/opinion/spalding-welfare-state-dependency/index.html

Under a culture of dependency, poverty becomes a trap, and recipients get stuck. Long-term welfare recipients lose work habits and job skills and miss out on the marketplace contacts that lead to job opportunities. That's a key reason the government should require welfare recipients to work as much as they can. What could be called "workfare" thus tends to increase long-term earnings among potential recipient

This all begs the question, why is the GOP promoting inter-generational dependency for whites, but not for Blacks?

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16 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

And this is an interesting article also:

https://www.cnn.com/2012/09/21/opinion/spalding-welfare-state-dependency/index.html

Under a culture of dependency, poverty becomes a trap, and recipients get stuck. Long-term welfare recipients lose work habits and job skills and miss out on the marketplace contacts that lead to job opportunities. That's a key reason the government should require welfare recipients to work as much as they can. What could be called "workfare" thus tends to increase long-term earnings among potential recipient

The number of SNAP households that have earnings while participating in SNAP has more than tripled — from about 2 million in 2000 to 6.9 million in 2016.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-basics-the-supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-snap

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11 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

    When people on the government dole battle over the fear of earning their health benifits. lol

     I get it though. The more people of color that work to receive health benefits, the more votes the dems loose. Schumer and Pelosi won’t take that heresy.

This post literally makes zero sense. 

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10 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

Yes, one must be working in order to be paid even a substandard wage.  And that has been increasingly the case for some time now

I'm just getting a bit tired of everyone pretending like the folks receiving SNAP benefits are all a bunch of lazy good for nothings who're just milking the system.

Americans have long been taught to attack those below them and worship those above.  Subsidizing the poor causes a fury, but subsidizing the wealthy get thunderous applause. 

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2 minutes ago, banner1124 said:

Yes, one must be working in order to be paid even a substandard wage.  And that has been increasingly the case for some time now

I'm just getting a bit tired of everyone pretending like the folks receiving SNAP benefits are all a bunch of lazy good for nothings who're just milking the system.

You are absolutely correct....wages have been stagnant for some time now. And as we saw....even with the Trump Tax Plan :rolleyes: while some companies may have given out bonuses ....few gave out ongoing substantial pay raises. Why do you think there are so many consultants and small businesses popping up. Because some have realized that the game is rigged and the only one that has your back is YOU. 

Regarding your last sentence. I don't think most people think (at least I don't) that all that are on SNAP etc. are lazy etc.  However, as you saw in the articles I posted that there is a significant number of hard core never worked or intend to out there.  Those are the ones that are at issue. 

A helping hand or a hand up....fine. A lifestyle ....No. 

How many times (especially in urban areas) do you have a baby momma ...with a baby momma daughter....and a brood of 4 others in the background. And no Dad and no income other than the safety nets. 

That is the issue. 

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19 minutes ago, Marshan Man said:

Wow... SMH. It's no wonder you're a bigot. I mean if you really believe that you have no other choice but to be...

Ahhhh maybe you should read this before you mouth off.  

https://brandongaille.com/welfare-statistics-by-race-state-and-payment/

Welfare Demographics

The following percentages are recipients of welfare based on race.

• White – 38.8%
• Black – 39.8%
• Hispanic – 15.7%
• Asian – 2.4%
• Other – 3.3%

 

News flash: whites still make up 72% of the population black 12%

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_States

You can do the math.

But I will be nice; whites take a  a bit more than 1/3 of the welfare while being almost 3/4ers of the population. Blacks on the other hand make up a little more than 10% of the population YET....they claim over 1/3 of the benefits also.

Have a nice day. 

Edited by Guido2

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1 hour ago, hst2 said:

I have always said if the face of welfare were white (there are more whites on welfare than blacks) then the policies toward welfare recipients wouldn't be negative ones.  The republicans are proving my point.

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