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Is this any surprise???

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/international-reviews-baltimore-orioles-2018/

 

Orioles' ownership’s annual neglect of the international market remains one of the most egregious examples of poor decision-making by a club in any area of baseball operations. Ownership’s disregard for international signings continues to damage the franchise, leaving the Orioles farm system nearly devoid of homegrown international prospects.

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As you said, no surprises at all :mellow:

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When MLB overhauled the entire international process for 2017, which eliminated the draft and implemented a slotting system, the Orioles had the highest amount of slot money at $5.75 million. When the signing period opened on July 2 of that year, they whittled their pool money down to $160K by making eight trades; the other 29 clubs combined for 13 such trades. This year, the Orioles are the third-lowest at just over $2 million.

The only saving grace is that three other teams in their division--the Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays, will be penalized this cycle for exceeding their slot allowance for the last draft cycle, which largely takes them out of commission this time around. Where they differ from the Orioles, however, is in the fact that these clubs snatched up so many players the last time around. If you're over slot already, you might as well just keep going and sign up as many players as you can for that draft cycle.

In a way I get it since the international market is still a very shady process. The backgrounds of these kids aren't always fully vetted, and there's always the risk--although it has lessened in recent years--of drafting players who used falsified documents so as to present themselves as younger than they really are. (Sixteen-year-olds, after all, tend to get better bonuses than 18-year-olds.) 

There was also a Time Magazine article from 2010 detailing how Latin American agents, called buscones, generally keep anywhere from 25 to 50 percent of the signing bonuses of the players they train. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts obviously, but those are crazy numbers. What's also crazy is the small number of international players signed over the recent decade who actually made it to the majors--about 2 percent. And, given that a lot of these kids come from poor backgrounds and baseball is viewed as one of the few ways out (even doctors and lawyers don't make a lot of money in the Dominican), there's plenty of incentive to cheat. PED's are about as readily available as candy down there, and usage is rampant. The Time article also mentioned that when MLB began testing the top 40 Dominican amateurs for steroids, about a third of them failed. It's a very perverse incentive structure.

While there are practical reasons to be cautious about the international market, the sobering reality is that it's too big a talent pool to be largely ignored. Of Baseball America's Top 10 minor league prospects heading into 2018, I believe eight were international signings. What that means is the best amateur player may not be on some high school or college campus in the United States.

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Why won’t Angelos sell the team? 

Clearly he doesn’t care enough to try to win

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1 hour ago, soulflower said:

Why won’t Angelos sell the team? 

Clearly he doesn’t care enough to try to win

Because his sons are involved.  After he dies, it will be up to them to decide whether they want to continue with their incompetence or not. 

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Between his age and reported increasing reclusiveness lately (even moreso than the old days when he'd speak to a mediot once every few years)... I have my doubts as to how much of a role Peter actually plays in the workings of the franchise anymore.  

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54 minutes ago, soulflower said:

Why won’t Angelos sell the team? 

Clearly he doesn’t care enough to try to win

Oh...he cares about winning. But his version of winning has very little to do with how the team performs on the field. In short, he and his partners are making a lot of money. 

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I just don't understand why the Orioles so aggressively don't pursue IAFA. It's like buying a stock on the ground floor. You'd think a lawyer as smart as Angelos has to be would understand this.

It's like saying "I don't believe in using smart phones". Ludicrous, based on nothing realistic or logical, and you only punish yourself.

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16 hours ago, soulflower said:

Why won’t Angelos sell the team? 

Clearly he doesn’t care enough to try to win

First of all he is not going to sell the team because it is his legacy to his sons.  Second, he does want to win, sometimes too much.  What he can't figure out how to do is let the people he put in place do their job.  It is kind of similar to Jerry Jones in the NFL, except that Jones has had a little bit more success.  Angelos won't let his FO pull the trigger on deals that might make the Orioles better down the line.  He kills trades that involve players he likes.  And he has some strange aversion to paying top line pitchers money.  He doesn't believe players who only start 1 out of every 5 games are worth it.  So he pays middle money for ground beef pitchers that have been rejected by the rest of the league and hopes they somehow turn out to be filet mignon.  He also pays his employees very poorly and offers poor benefits.  I know someone who worked for the Orioles and loved the job but ended up leaving over money and benefits.  It is a myth that Angelos doesn't want to win.  He really does, he just believes he is an authority on baseball when he clearly knows very little about it.  He steps on his front office plans way too often.  Probably the reason why DD wanted to leave a couple of years ago.  Even then Angelos intervened and stopped it.  He made it personal when the best thing for the organization was to let someone go who really didn't want to be here.  What good did it do to force someone to stay when they wanted to go?  Obviously none.  

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23 minutes ago, cprenegade said:

First of all he is not going to sell the team because it is his legacy to his sons.  Second, he does want to win, sometimes too much.  What he can't figure out how to do is let the people he put in place do their job.  It is kind of similar to Jerry Jones in the NFL, except that Jones has had a little bit more success.  Angelos won't let his FO pull the trigger on deals that might make the Orioles better down the line.  He kills trades that involve players he likes.  And he has some strange aversion to paying top line pitchers money.  He doesn't believe players who only start 1 out of every 5 games are worth it.  So he pays middle money for ground beef pitchers that have been rejected by the rest of the league and hopes they somehow turn out to be filet mignon.  He also pays his employees very poorly and offers poor benefits.  I know someone who worked for the Orioles and loved the job but ended up leaving over money and benefits.  It is a myth that Angelos doesn't want to win.  He really does, he just believes he is an authority on baseball when he clearly knows very little about it.  He steps on his front office plans way too often.  Probably the reason why DD wanted to leave a couple of years ago.  Even then Angelos intervened and stopped it.  He made it personal when the best thing for the organization was to let someone go who really didn't want to be here.  What good did it do to force someone to stay when they wanted to go?  Obviously none.  

Legacy aside, will his heirs be able to shoulder the burden of the estate tax, which would be considerable? More than one franchise had to be sold for that reason. The Redskins immediately come to mind. Angelos's law firm is also very prominent in estate planning, but I have no idea whether or not Angelos has taken the necessary steps to try and secure the franchise for his sons. 

I agree with your assertion about Angelos wanting to win. I think he desperately wants to do so, but has no clue how to actually achieve that end. He's seen both Art Modell and Steve Bisciotti hoist Lombardi Trophies here, and he'd love to be able to do the same in baseball. He certainly doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who ruined a Baltimore institution.

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8 hours ago, cprenegade said:

First of all he is not going to sell the team because it is his legacy to his sons.  Second, he does want to win, sometimes too much.  What he can't figure out how to do is let the people he put in place do their job.  It is kind of similar to Jerry Jones in the NFL, except that Jones has had a little bit more success.  Angelos won't let his FO pull the trigger on deals that might make the Orioles better down the line.  He kills trades that involve players he likes.  And he has some strange aversion to paying top line pitchers money.  He doesn't believe players who only start 1 out of every 5 games are worth it.  So he pays middle money for ground beef pitchers that have been rejected by the rest of the league and hopes they somehow turn out to be filet mignon.  He also pays his employees very poorly and offers poor benefits.  I know someone who worked for the Orioles and loved the job but ended up leaving over money and benefits.  It is a myth that Angelos doesn't want to win.  He really does, he just believes he is an authority on baseball when he clearly knows very little about it.  He steps on his front office plans way too often.  Probably the reason why DD wanted to leave a couple of years ago.  Even then Angelos intervened and stopped it.  He made it personal when the best thing for the organization was to let someone go who really didn't want to be here.  What good did it do to force someone to stay when they wanted to go?  Obviously none.  

Jerry Jones has won very little since Jimmy Johnson left. Switzer won a SB with Jimmy's players. 

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18 minutes ago, johnpolitics said:

Jerry Jones has won very little since Jimmy Johnson left. Switzer won a SB with Jimmy's players. 

You just had to go there didn't ya 😑

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On 5/18/2018 at 8:02 AM, soulflower said:

Why won’t Angelos sell the team? 

Clearly he doesn’t care enough to try to win

What is it, 7 winning seasons in 26 years of ownership? Quite a track record!

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1 hour ago, pitbull said:

What is it, 7 winning seasons in 26 years of ownership? Quite a track record!

That's all DD's fault.

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3 hours ago, bleedingorangeandblack said:

You just had to go there didn't ya 😑

He just posted the truth. What's wrong with the truth? :P

 

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12 minutes ago, NCBirdfan said:

He just posted the truth. What's wrong with the truth? :P

 

It’s tough to hear ok it’s just tough to hear 😭😭😭😭

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30 minutes ago, bleedingorangeandblack said:

It’s tough to hear ok it’s just tough to hear 😭😭😭😭

I like Jerry Jones, then again I am a GIANTS fan. 

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8 minutes ago, bleedingorangeandblack said:

It’s tough to hear ok it’s just tough to hear 😭😭😭😭

You are an Orioles fan AND a Cowboys fan. Both owners have destroyed once proud franchises, one by making himself the GM and the other keeping his GMs on a tight leash and interfering at inappropriate times. Man that sucks.

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9 minutes ago, johnpolitics said:

I like Jerry Jones, then again I am a GIANTS fan. 

Uh oh! :D

 

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7 minutes ago, NCBirdfan said:

Uh oh! :D

 

Giants and Eagles fans love Jones and Little Danny Snyder. Over the last 20 years you can count the number of NFC titles and SB's Jerry has won on ONE hand. 

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12 hours ago, mdrunning said:

He certainly doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who ruined a Baltimore institution.

Too late.  The damage is done.

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1 hour ago, Thirteen said:

Too late.  The damage is done.

That damage was done long before Angelos. Think Edward Bennett Williams and Eli Jacobs.

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