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Racism in Europe

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America is under 300 years old. I was discouraged about our race problem till I read this article. We've came a long way from slavery in, relatively speaking a short period of time compared to Europe.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiok8biqcXbAhVCiFkKHU-aBFkQFghBMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enar-eu.org%2FBlack-people-in-Europe-report-widespread-racism-in-anti-immigration-context&usg=AOvVaw1UJ0HgrYIyYTYOCz6K2awv

Black people are particularly exposed to police violence as well as racist violence and abuse from other members of the public. In Sweden, 17% of hate crimes targeted Black people in 2014 (1,075 in total). There is a lack of trust between Black communities and the police which arises from various methods used by the police such as racial profiling and lack of full investigation of racially motivated crimes. Some law enforcement personnel display clearly racist behaviours and the police forces in some Member States are described as institutionally racist.

Black pupils experience racism in schools such as racist bullying and biased teaching materials and practice. Teachers’ influence and racial discrimination of Black pupils can have significant implications on educational attainment and life chances of Black people. In the Netherlands, pupils of African descent were under-evaluated by teachers, despite higher scores in the test to determine the level of education pupils may proceed to.

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42 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

America is under 300 years old. I was discouraged about our race problem till I read this article. We've came a long way from slavery in, relatively speaking a short period of time compared to Europe.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiok8biqcXbAhVCiFkKHU-aBFkQFghBMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enar-eu.org%2FBlack-people-in-Europe-report-widespread-racism-in-anti-immigration-context&usg=AOvVaw1UJ0HgrYIyYTYOCz6K2awv

Black people are particularly exposed to police violence as well as racist violence and abuse from other members of the public. In Sweden, 17% of hate crimes targeted Black people in 2014 (1,075 in total). There is a lack of trust between Black communities and the police which arises from various methods used by the police such as racial profiling and lack of full investigation of racially motivated crimes. Some law enforcement personnel display clearly racist behaviours and the police forces in some Member States are described as institutionally racist.

Black pupils experience racism in schools such as racist bullying and biased teaching materials and practice. Teachers’ influence and racial discrimination of Black pupils can have significant implications on educational attainment and life chances of Black people. In the Netherlands, pupils of African descent were under-evaluated by teachers, despite higher scores in the test to determine the level of education pupils may proceed to.

Europe has not had significant black populations until maybe the last 50 years.

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Let's get our resident race expert's opinions on this topic. I'm sure they can enlighten us on the subject.

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1 hour ago, mrdeltoid said:

America is under 300 years old. I was discouraged about our race problem till I read this article. We've came a long way from slavery in, relatively speaking a short period of time compared to Europe.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiok8biqcXbAhVCiFkKHU-aBFkQFghBMAM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.enar-eu.org%2FBlack-people-in-Europe-report-widespread-racism-in-anti-immigration-context&usg=AOvVaw1UJ0HgrYIyYTYOCz6K2awv

Black people are particularly exposed to police violence as well as racist violence and abuse from other members of the public. In Sweden, 17% of hate crimes targeted Black people in 2014 (1,075 in total). There is a lack of trust between Black communities and the police which arises from various methods used by the police such as racial profiling and lack of full investigation of racially motivated crimes. Some law enforcement personnel display clearly racist behaviours and the police forces in some Member States are described as institutionally racist.

Black pupils experience racism in schools such as racist bullying and biased teaching materials and practice. Teachers’ influence and racial discrimination of Black pupils can have significant implications on educational attainment and life chances of Black people. In the Netherlands, pupils of African descent were under-evaluated by teachers, despite higher scores in the test to determine the level of education pupils may proceed to.

17%?

And we've come a long way?

We might want to get the log out of our eye before criticizing others:

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Among single-bias hate crime incidents in 2016, there were 4,426 victims of race/ethnicity/ancestry motivated hate crime.

50.2 percent were victims of crimes motivated by their offenders’ anti-Black or African American bias.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2016/topic-pages/victims

 

 

 

 

Edited by Cameron

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The contexts are different. The article points out that the racism there is tied to anti-immigration, Our anti-immigration racism targets a whole other group of people of color, with a different single story, as it were, for them. African-Americans are not immigrants by any stretch of the imagination. They go way back. Before the Mayflower.

To our credit, Muslims who come here assimilate much easier here than they do in Europe.There are anti-Muslim attacks here, of course. But in general, Muslims are probably more optimistic about the future here than white folks are.

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7 hours ago, hst2 said:

The contexts are different. The article points out that the racism there is tied to anti-immigration, Our anti-immigration racism targets a whole other group of people of color, with a different single story, as it were, for them. African-Americans are not immigrants by any stretch of the imagination. They go way back. Before the Mayflower.

To our credit, Muslims who come here assimilate much easier here than they do in Europe.There are anti-Muslim attacks here, of course. But in general, Muslims are probably more optimistic about the future here than white folks are.

Muslim and white are not mutually exclusive. 

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American Muslims are buying  guns in increasing numbers they say for protection.

Are they planning to take the law into their own hands and use these guns?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/07/us/muslim-gun-owners-america.html

When Sheima Muhammad takes her Glock pistol to her local gun range in central Ohio, she gets funny looks. As a 25-year-old woman, she stands out from the other customers, who are mostly older men. Then there is the matter of her head scarf.

“I don’t get looked like as a normal person who’s just trying to protect themselves,” said Ms. Muhammad, who emigrated from Turkey as a baby with her family, who are Kurds, and is a naturalized American citizen.

American Muslims like Ms. Muhammad say they own guns for the same reasons as anyone else: for protection, for hunting and sport shooting, for gun and rifle collections or for their work.

They also cite another factor: fear of persecution

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1 hour ago, Baltimatt said:

Muslim and white are not mutually exclusive. 

Uh-huh.

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1 hour ago, boink said:

American Muslims are buying  guns in increasing numbers they say for protection.

Are they planning to take the law into their own hands and use these guns?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/07/us/muslim-gun-owners-america.html

When Sheima Muhammad takes her Glock pistol to her local gun range in central Ohio, she gets funny looks. As a 25-year-old woman, she stands out from the other customers, who are mostly older men. Then there is the matter of her head scarf.

“I don’t get looked like as a normal person who’s just trying to protect themselves,” said Ms. Muhammad, who emigrated from Turkey as a baby with her family, who are Kurds, and is a naturalized American citizen.

American Muslims like Ms. Muhammad say they own guns for the same reasons as anyone else: for protection, for hunting and sport shooting, for gun and rifle collections or for their work.

They also cite another factor: fear of persecution

I don't know.  Why are non-Muslims buying guns?

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12 minutes ago, Baltimatt said:

I don't know.  Why are non-Muslims buying guns?

Would be saying....for all the same reason in the quote....be too far fetched? :D

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15 minutes ago, Baltimatt said:

I don't know.  Why are non-Muslims buying guns?

To engage in some sort of weird patriotic Founding Father fantasy?

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1 minute ago, hst2 said:

To engage in some sort of weird patriotic Founding Father fantasy?

hst…..if this country is such a disappointment to you on almost all things. Why don't you move to Russia where you can enjoy a form of socialism or China or N. Korea where you really can. Or move to Africa and help the impoverished blacks and spend all you days surrounded by the people that you love so dearly.

smh. 

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Just now, Guido2 said:

hst…..if this country is such a disappointment to you on almost all things. Why don't you move to Russia where you can enjoy a form of socialism or China or N. Korea where you really can. Or move to Africa and help the impoverished blacks and spend all you days surrounded by the people that you love so dearly.

smh. 

Since all of our evil emanates from whiteness, I suggest to you that the best place to make a difference is right here in the belly of the beast.

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1 hour ago, hst2 said:

Uh-huh.

 

2 hours ago, Baltimatt said:

Muslim and white are not mutually exclusive. 

matt....you must know by now that facts don't matter ….especially when they don't fit his agenda.

Oh my God….who would have thunk it....there are WHITE muslims.

Here are FACTS...not from an op-ed but  from a real source. 

No racial or ethnic group makes up a majority of Muslim American adults. A plurality (41%) are white, a category that includes those who describe their race as Arab, Middle Eastern, Persian/Iranian or in a variety of other ways (see sidebar on white racial classifications). About three-in-ten are Asian (28%), including those from South Asia, and one-fifth are black (20%).9 Fewer are Hispanic (8%), and an additional 3% identify with another race or with multiple races.

from the sidebar:

U.S. Muslim respondents were more likely to be counted as white (41%) than any other listed race option.

http://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/demographic-portrait-of-muslim-americans/#racial-classifications

 

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Yet the world's different hues risk life and limb to enter this "whiteness".  Go figure!

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31 minutes ago, workerbee said:

Yet the world's different hues risk life and limb to enter this "whiteness".  Go figure!

Yup the US really really sucks. Yes sir....all those Mexicans jumping the boarder.....Cuban's fleeing on innertubes from their country....rich women having 'baby-cations' to our nation so they can give birth here to a natural-born citizen (with all the perks it will get)….Pickers on green cards in the fields and crab shacks working for minimum wage ...traveling 1000's of miles ….for a minimum wage job with no benefits. Shall I go on?

Yup the US is one hell hole for sure. 

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7 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

Yup the US really really sucks. Yes sir....all those Mexicans jumping the boarder.....Cuban's fleeing on innertubes from their country....rich women having 'baby-cations' to our nation so they can give birth here to a naturalized citizen (with all the perks it will get)….Pickers on green cards in the fields and crab shacks working for minimum wage ...traveling 1000's of miles ….for a minimum wage job with no benefits. Shall I go on?

Yup the US is one hell hole for sure. 

I think you mean natural-born citizen.

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26 minutes ago, workerbee said:

Yet the world's different hues risk life and limb to enter this "whiteness".  Go figure!

And "whiteness" works to repel them with all the arrows in its quiver.

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57 minutes ago, hst2 said:

Since all of our evil emanates from whiteness, I suggest to you that the best place to make a difference is right here in the belly of the beast.

Then the only logical solution is to eliminate all white people.  That is what you really want isn't it?  Except for you of course.  You remind me of Charles Manson and Helter Skelter.

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22 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

Then the only logical solution is to eliminate all white people.  That is what you really want isn't it?  Except for you of course.  You remind me of Charles Manson and Helter Skelter.

If you eliminate whiteness, there would no longer be white people. Just people.

You remind me of an Erskine Cauldwell character who, upon witnessing a lynching, muses that at least the victim is considered equal under law.

 

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3 minutes ago, hst2 said:

If you eliminate whiteness, there would no longer be white people. Just people.

You remind me of an Erskine Cauldwell character who, upon witnessing a lynching, muses that at least the victim is considered equal under law.

 

You can't eliminate whiteness without eliminating white people.  You are promoting genocide.

Edited by Smokey 1

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1 hour ago, hst2 said:

Since all of our evil emanates from whiteness, I suggest to you that the best place to make a difference is right here in the belly of the beast.

Lol. Kind of a broad brush there, hst. You are slipping more and more into being a caricature. 

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5 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

You can't eliminate whiteness without eliminating white people.  You are promoting genocide.

He is saying you can.

You jump to the opposite conclusion.

Argue the point.

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3 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

You can't eliminate whiteness without eliminating white people.  You are promoting genocide.

No, you are displaying ignorance. Whiteness is a social construct, not a biological determination. It's definition has always changed based on the needs of the dominant structure.

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9 minutes ago, hst2 said:

If you eliminate whiteness, there would no longer be white people. Just people.

You remind me of an Erskine Cauldwell character who, upon witnessing a lynching, muses that at least the victim is considered equal under law.

 

I'm pretty sure if you change a couple of adjectives, your statement would fit right in with the proclamations of Hitler. Nice company you keep there.

I was once admonished on these forums to call out those on "my side" when they said things that were repellent.  In that same spirit, I'd like to hear from some left leaning peoples' opinion on this statement.

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