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GOP Candidate: Diversity is a bunch of crap and Un-American

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"In my view, the best way to bring diversity to the Republican Party is for Republicans to openly say that the whole idea of diversity is a bunch of crap and un-American," Seth Grossman can be seen saying in the video uploaded on June 6 by American Bridge 21st Century, which monitors GOP candidates.

In the video, Grossman goes on to quote the Declaration of Independence and says, "the Constitution was designed to incorporate that idea of the Declaration of Independence that everybody is treated equally under the law. Now, what diversity has become, it's been an excuse by Democrats, communists and socialists, basically, to say that we're not all created equal, that some people, if he -- if somebody is lesser qualified, they will get a job anyway, or they'll get into college anyway because of the tribe that they're with, what group, what box they fit into."

Interesting considering at the time of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution being written, everybody was most certainly not treated equally under the law.

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Grossman also tells the room, "Once we say that the Republicans want these traditional ways that made America great for all these years, then maybe African Americans would realize when we enforce our immigration laws, there will be more opportunity for Americans of all backgrounds.

"When we talk about women saying, well, we need special care for child care, we need this credit and that credit, say, wait a minute, when America was great, one parent alone earned more than enough money to comfortably support a family," he continued. "That's what happened before we chopped Americans into these different boxes and saying, I'm entitled to something because I'm part of this group."

So diversity is the reason one parent's salary can't comfortably support a family?  :rolleyes:

Republicans will say the dumbest things to justify their boogeymen. 

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Do you believe in equality under the law or not?

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7 minutes ago, Smokey 1 said:

Do you believe in equality under the law or not?

I do.  Founding Fathers obviously didn't.

Do you also believe that discrimination doesn't exist?  And how about diversity being the cause of a one parent salary not being able to support a family?

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Just now, ivanbalt said:

I do.  Founding Fathers obviously didn't.

Do you also believe that discrimination doesn't exist?  And how about diversity being the cause of a one parent salary not being able to support a family?

I believe racial discrimination exists against both minorities and non minorities.  

I believe the answer to the second question is more complicated than that. 

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When the democrat party refers to diversity they mean race.  When it comes to ideas and thoughts, forget it. If you’re not in lockstep with everything they say, you’re done.

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Grossman has a fitting name.

Turning back the clock to 1950 is not the answer for America's problems. Maybe for white nationalists. Not for anyone else.

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1 minute ago, Pickle20 said:

Grossman has a fitting name.

Turning back the clock to 1950 is not the answer for America's problems. Maybe for white nationalists. Not for anyone else.

Do you have a problem with equality under the law?

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2 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

When the democrat party refers to diversity they mean race.  When it comes to ideas and thoughts, forget it. If you’re not in lockstep with everything they say, you’re done.

That's an awesome story.  Since you probably agree with this guy, can you explain how diversity is the cause of a one parent salary being unable to support a family.

Perhaps you can also explain how diversity is Un-American despite this country being populated by a very diverse group of people?

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29 minutes ago, mrdeltoid said:

When the democrat party refers to diversity they mean race.  When it comes to ideas and thoughts, forget it. If you’re not in lockstep with everything they say, you’re done.

That's 'Democratic Party' to you...

Regarding 'lockstep'... Parties are like that... on both sides.

Prove me wrong.

 

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1 hour ago, Smokey 1 said:

Do you believe in equality under the law or not?

What if equality under the law, is ineffective? What then?

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10 minutes ago, hst2 said:

What if equality under the law, is ineffective? What then?

 Its not really enforced now so yeah it is ineffective if it isn't taken seriously.  It should be strictly enforced.

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1 hour ago, mrdeltoid said:

When the democrat party refers to diversity they mean race.  When it comes to ideas and thoughts, forget it. If you’re not in lockstep with everything they say, you’re done.

Sure you aren't talking about these forums? :D

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20 minutes ago, hst2 said:

What if equality under the law, is ineffective? What then?

Not to put to fine a point on it.

The laws as written likely are fine. The mechanism to actually apply them is flawed. 

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1 hour ago, ivanbalt said:

I do.  Founding Fathers obviously didn't.

Do you also believe that discrimination doesn't exist?  And how about diversity being the cause of a one parent salary not being able to support a family?

Where in the Constitution does it show the Founding Fathers didn't believe in equality for all? 

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1 hour ago, ivanbalt said:

That's an awesome story.  Since you probably agree with this guy, can you explain how diversity is the cause of a one parent salary being unable to support a family.

Perhaps you can also explain how diversity is Un-American despite this country being populated by a very diverse group of people?

Actually I think much of the blame can be contributed to Gloria and women's lib.

Now before you all get nuts.

What Gloria and women's lib did/does is great … no doubt. However, if you look at it economically. With the advent of women really entering the work force.... meaning that there are two paychecks coming in … do you not think that businesses realized that there is more money to be spent so prices of staples went up...more must have  toys to be purchased were manufactured?

If there was not all this 'extra' money floating around....they would have had to keep their margins lower nor invested in 'toy development' since there would be no market.  

My parents had ONE....yes ONE car till I was around 10. They survived. Then we had two only because the company my father worked for gave him one as part of his contract. Now imagine any household that doesn't have public transportation surviving on one car.

Think of it this way; Back in the day....there was generally only one paycheck....and people survived. Now think single house hold...one that is trying to survive in an economy built on two paychecks. 

While I admit this is not THE issue. But a contributor. 

 

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4 minutes ago, flyboy56 said:

Where in the Constitution does it show the Founding Fathers didn't believe in equality for all? 

Well I think much of what the founding fathers thought was predicated on who was the 'all'. 

As hst has pointed out there are no clauses regarding slavery explicitly. As (I think) the FFs didn't even consider non-whites as being part of the 'all'. The same hold's true for women of any color. 

White men were the 'all'. Others need not apply. 

Of course the document it self hasn't really changed...but the interpretation of it definitely has.

 

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1 minute ago, flyboy56 said:

Where in the Constitution does it show the Founding Fathers didn't believe in equality for all? 

Well an amendment was required to completely eliminate slavery.  Not to mention they also owned slaves while writing it.

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10 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

Well an amendment was required to completely eliminate slavery.  Not to mention they also owned slaves while writing it.

Not to mention that women were 2nd-tier citizens.

Oops! Just saw Guido's post...

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9 minutes ago, Guido2 said:

Well I think much of what the founding fathers thought was predicated on who was the 'all'. 

As hst has pointed out there are no clauses regarding slavery explicitly. As (I think) the FFs didn't even consider non-whites as being part of the 'all'. The same hold's true for women of any color. 

White men were the 'all'. Others need not apply. 

Of course the document it self hasn't really changed...but the interpretation of it definitely has.

 

Or since the FFs did say "all" instead of just white men they actually meant all. And because they did not specify white men only the Supreme Court is able to interpret the "all" actually means all.  

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11 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

Well an amendment was required to completely eliminate slavery.  Not to mention they also owned slaves while writing it.

It was required to clarify what the FFs meant when they said "all". 

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Just now, flyboy56 said:

It was required to clarify what the FFs meant when they said "all". 

:lol:

Yeah that's it.  They meant equality for all while still owning human beings as slaves and treating women as second class citizens.  :rolleyes:

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5 minutes ago, ivanbalt said:

:lol:

Yeah that's it.  They meant equality for all while still owning human beings as slaves and treating women as second class citizens.  :rolleyes:

Their actions later on showed they really meant what they wrote. Slavery had been going on long before the Constitution was endorsed by the Founding Fathers. It takes time, and in this case blood of many white folks to finally change an old status quo. 

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1 minute ago, flyboy56 said:

Their actions later on showed they really meant what they wrote. Slavery had been going on long before the Constitution was endorsed by the Founding Fathers. It takes time, and in this case blood of many white folks to finally change an old status quo. 

:lol:

Keep that spin going.  They really wanted women to vote too, but not for over 100 years.  :rolleyes:

They had no interest in equality for all.  They wanted their freedom from England and the crown's taxes and freedom to take land from the Indians.

But feel free to continue to romanticize slave owners.

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